Patience When Seabass Hunting

  • As divers...or shall I say - WSB hunters we can spend many days diving the kelp with out so much as a glimpse of the quarry we are after. We may hear that beautiful croaking that perks our senses trying to figure out just what direction its coming from. You can swim up current, down current, dive the slack tide, high tide, whatever tide. Just when you think you may be doing something right they go and flip the script on you. In my opinion no other name has been more fitting for a fish then what we sometimes refer to seabass as ghosts.


    I cant say how many times or dives I've gone without so much as seeing a fish and when that moment finally comes you take it. Rightfully so. How many nights have you "blown" a fish just to keep replaying that moment over and over again in your head? Then again, I think that's one of those things that makes diving so great. The desire to learn from your mistakes...reanalyze, re-equip, reformat and try it again. Always learning from what worked and what didn't.



    Well one thing that I've set out to change about my diving this year is to "TRY" not to shoot the first fish I see. I've seen a good amount of videos where a ghost swims into frame and you think "shoot it!" But the cameraman shows the restraint and often a few seconds later more fish follow in its path. Sometimes bigger; sometimes not. Usually having that restraint is a lot easier said then done. Especially when we get in that desperate mind set of shoot the first thing that swims by. I've had a few dives this season where I have been rewarded for my patience...


    So sometime in June I headed out with a friend for a pretty standard WSB hunt. We had a pretty good idea of where some decent fish were. Nothing huge, but great respectable fish in the 20-30lb range and now that the limit was 3 fish, we could afford to tag the first thing that swims our way and then get a bit pickier if we wanted to. Well of course my friend hops in the water first and not 5 minutes pass and he has a fish on. Around the 35~lb mark. Well great they are here! I'm in the water in record time and beginning my rounds through the kelp bed. Maybe 30 minutes into my dive I see a single come swimming underneath me. The viz was great, but a bit hazy in this particular kelp room and a little tough to determine just how big it was...but I call it 25lbs. Pop! One fish on the stringer, but it was more like a sea trout then a seabass at maybe 15lbs. Ohh well we expected the little guys to be here and now the bar is set at around 30lbs so its time to look for something bigger.


    In my experience or more the experiences of others past down to me. If you are seeing small fish, chances are you aren't going to be seeing big fish. Not sure how this relates to other species, but this seems to be the consensus from most guys relating to white seabass.


    So back to the dive and maybe another 40 minutes or so in the water my friend puts his second fish on the boat! Now the pressures on. It was a beautiful dive 15-30' of viz; temps where in the 63-65 range with lots of life about. I'm just enjoying being in the water when I have another smaller model come moseying along underneath me. I'm tracking it from the surface and just watching its behavior in this clearing of a few stringers and some higher spots on the reef when the fish seems to sense my presence and change direction and bug out. It would have been an easy shot from the surface, so initially I let it go as I knew it wasn't near that 30lb mark, but after a quick deliberation I decided to go back down for it. I dropped to about 28' feet and use this high spot with kelp to mask my approach. As I try to sneak around the pinnacle thinking it will be somewhere around the corner, I reach the area and nothing. I'm basically now at one of those "kelp fork in the roads" Do I go left or right? I'm hanging there for a few seconds debating on which direction seems more promising when I get that sense and look to the left.


    This is the moment I live for when diving. It happens so sudden, probably all of about 5 seconds but feels like an eternity. Everything around me goes quite and slows down. I can feel my heart beating, but it feels like I don't need to ever breathe again, everything is focused at this moment. I watch as the biggest seabass I have ever seen goes swimming by behind a few kelp stalks a mere 10-15' away from me. My brain is processing the fact that this is a beast. A true trophy fish, the moment is NOW and the signals are sent to pull the trigger. In another split second almost too fast to witness my shaft leaves the gun, hits the fish perfectly behind the gills and the fish is off with a thunderous explosion into the kelp room. Time for the ride! I know its a solid shot and immediately put pressure on my reel line, but this fish is big and means business and has no problem pulling me an easy 25-30' underwater. I know its main objective and that is to run up current into the deepest water it can find. That's its last act of defense against whats going on. I surface and take some much needed breaths of air and begin breathing up so I can secure the fish. I don't like letting fish run if you don't need to and I always like to recover my fish as fast as safely possible. I always make sure to breath up adequately, but I feel the longer you wait the better the chance the fish has to tear off or some other animal has to capitalize on your catch. I give it a good 3 minutes on the surface which feels like 10. Usually I will try to close my eyes and relax that way, but its hard when the viz is this good and I can almost see it on the bottom at 40'. Its time to get the fish. I spit my snorkel and begin climbing down my line finally reaching the fish. Wow is it big! It really wasn't tied up that bad so I was able to just get my hand in its gills, bleed it and pull it up. I left enough slack on the reel line that it would allow me to pull the fish up. I get to the surface and do my standard test measuring the fish against my leg and it sure is bigger. I'm barely able to get it over the rail of the boat with one hand. Finally on the boat this fish makes the 35lber look like a schoolie and I'm pretty sure at the time its my new personal best wsb. Its just so long and skinny I'm not quite sure. Time for a cold beer and I just sit there on my new boat thinking. Wow! First blood on the boat and a new personal best...does life get better than this? Well of course it does, but right now is pretty damn good from where I am sitting. The suns setting and my friend swims back with his third and final fish to complete his first 3 fish seabass limit and share in the marvel of these beautiful fish we landed this evening.


    Well the nights not complete without an anchor retrieval at 55' but I take the honors and in no time we're all set for the ride home in smooth flat seas. We get back to the dock and the fish weighs in at 62-64lbs on a 50lb Berkeley scale and measured just over 60" being my biggest seabass to date and something I am very proud of. The next day when I filleted the fish, its stomach was completely empty and egg pouches were empty. So not only do I know this fish would have weighed much more had it been fat, but at least it was able to complete one last breeding cycle for the ocean before providing food for me.


    Mike Morgan




  • Nice fish Mike! Congrats! I know what you mean about the patience thing, but I can't tell you how many times I have passed on an easy shot for a respectable fish, in hopes that more were to come and never seeing another:frustrated1:


    Seabass are just one of those fish that will drive you crazy if you let them. I got over the big fish thing after my first really big one. I would rather have the smaller ones in the 15-20 range for consumption. Don't get me wrong though; if the first fish I see is a 60lber, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger! All I am saying is that I wouldn't pass a shot on a 20 lber in hopes that something bigger may come along. The fish have been so plentiful there the past couple of years, that seeing another "biggun" will come sooner rather than later.


  • Seabass are just one of those fish that will drive you crazy if you let them. I got over the big fish thing after my first really big one. I would rather have the smaller ones in the 15-20 range for consumption. Don't get me wrong though; if the first fish I see is a 60lber, I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger! All I am saying is that I wouldn't pass a shot on a 20 lber in hopes that something bigger may come along. The fish have been so plentiful there the past couple of years, that seeing another "biggun" will come sooner rather than later.


    The smaller fish are harder to find then the 50+lbr's the last few years. I have yet to see a wsb under 25-30lbs this year.

  • Totally awesome. Thanks for a great write up. I was holding my breath when you were down on the rock and getting pulled down by the fish.


    The fish looks like it has been hit before and healed, maybe 2x right next to one another. Is that the way it looked to you as well, or are those just random marks?

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  • Thanks for the comments guys. I agree John, if I see a slug come by I usually wont think twice. Like Mike said small fish are rare theses days :rolleyes1: Sheesh when I was asking you whether I should buy riffe metal tech's and stuff a year ago I never thought I'd ever get a seabass like that. You definitely set me on the right course....the gear whore course that is :toast:


    I go back and forth sometimes on size issue. Smaller fish make more sense in that the meat is fresher and can be consumed faster and sometimes my thought process is let the little ones grow...Then again the bigger ones are more competent breeders so which is better for the overall fishery?


    Stephen - You are right that was an old wound healed up and it was in a very good place for a shot. Someone must have been pretty bummed thinking they had a great shot just to loose a beautiful fish. Thankfully fish are resilient animals and can withstand some pretty severe punishment. I've seen multiple fish this season swimming around with tear offs and healed wounds on there bodies. The week I got that fish I know of 4 other fish that were taken over 45+lbs all with healed wounds like that and its not like they are tail shots. These are good solid almost stone shot areas. I think thats why its important to always get as close as possible so you know you get good penetration.



    Also, I'm kicking myself for not getting a picture of it. But a friend shot a 20lber last week. Solely because he swam by it and it was just sleeping there in the kelp. It had a crescent shaped piece like a cantelope chunk taken out of its side behind the gil plate. He was convinced it would have died so he shot it. The only thing I could compare it to was something like a boat prop hit it. There's no way it could have been a seal, shark, shot tear out etc. It was just to clean like a blade sliced it off. One more weird thing in the ocean...

  • Also, I'm kicking myself for not getting a picture of it. But a friend shot a 20lber last week. Solely because he swam by it and it was just sleeping there in the kelp. It had a crescent shaped piece like a cantelope chunk taken out of its side behind the gil plate. He was convinced it would have died so he shot it. The only thing I could compare it to was something like a boat prop hit it. There's no way it could have been a seal, shark, shot tear out etc. It was just to clean like a blade sliced it off. One more weird thing in the ocean...


    i cant find it but pantoja has a picture of a hogfish with that same crescent chunk missing from half way down the body near the spine clear up through the top.. really wild how fish can heal


    Great write up and fish,, way to go

    Scupper Pro Gives You Wings!

  • very very nice report!!!...:thumbsup2:....any pics from the kelp underwater??....i would love to see it:)


    Unfortunately my underwater camera sucks!



    Sorry for cutting the tail off Mike, but the fish was too big to back up an further on the boat:rolleyes1:...seriously



    EDIT- I figured out how to post some pics. Here's one with the tail still in tact.

  • Here's a pic posting tutorial, fairly straight forward http://spearfishing.world/foru…ure-posting-tutorial.html


    I like the hosting method better because it allows me to position the pics where I want in the post as opposed to only at the bottom. It also saves server space.


    Impressive catch. What is the limit on WSB? Are there different limits for different times in the season? I was under the (mistaken?) impression that it was one WSB per person.

  • Impressive catch. What is the limit on WSB? Are there different limits for different times in the season? I was under the (mistaken?) impression that it was one WSB per person.


    Different limits in different times of the season... and even then, it depends on where on the coast you are. Typical california regs... :rolleyes1:


    Quote

    The recreational fishery for white seabass (Atractoscion nobilis) remains open year round. The daily bag and possession limit is three fish except that only one fish may be taken in waters south of Point Conception between March 15 and June 15. The minimum size limit is 28 inches total length or 20 inches alternate length.

    (FYI - "alternate length" refers to fillet lengths)




    I completely agree on the patience... but it's a lot easier to practice when you live nearby. When I make the trek down from Norcal, it's a different mentality. I want to make sure I come home with something, so I plug the first legal WSB I see. Like John, I've let healthy robust fish swim by then not see one for the rest of the day. That's why I love this time of the year - I can secure some WSB fillets, then take time to hunt more selectively. If I lived in socal, it would be a far different mentality. I would be content to let them swim by & end a day without taking a shot. :)


    Regarding the size - I definitely prefer the smaller 10-20# size. ;)

  • Regarding the size - I definitely prefer the smaller 10-20# size. ;)[/QUOTE]



    I used to think that the smaller ones were better, but I have been making the thicker fillets of 50lbrs taste pretty damn good lately. I'm still pretty content to load up the freezer and shoot the first fish that comes by. Then you can hunt something else or just hang out and have a beer if you're on a boat. :cool2:

    Over seabass hunting....

  • while diving today i was thinking its kind of funny that you cali guys have fish that croak for you,, here we a lot of times wind up croaking for our fish :rolleyes1:
    our fish are spoiled

    Scupper Pro Gives You Wings!

  • Nice fish ,,


    WSB make me goofy somtimes I will shoot the first one I see ,, somtimes Ill just poke them with the tip of my gun... some times I wont even dive on them ,,,


    I have been taking Notes since 1999 and it seems the more you know, the less you know about them :D



    good thread ,,,,Joe:toast:

  • wow, what a great report... Itoo was holding my breath for parts...it is a sympathetic reflex i guess



    thanks for sharing that awesome experience:D and congrats on the PB and the first blood. I hope the boat treats you well for many happy healthy years

    i like to spear fish

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