Posts by Dan

Well I could see that there's already one smart ass remark and that's what prompted me to say so. But it's always the same people doing it and I have the satisfaction of knowing that when that tool tried to join this forum I didn't approve his registration.

Shaister LOL I should've known eh? But Shai is actually a fairly common Israeli name. Anyways thanks for the support guys. That thread on SB will probably draw out some haters and what not. I ask any of you who choose to post in that thread to ignore any remarks that are not directly pertinent to the issue so as not to turn it into something ridiculous.

I agree with John in that it's mostly territorial bottom fish like grouper and mutton snapper that are frightened by a floatline.

My relationship with SB is not good but this subject is neutral and should be of interest to many people. It's not absolutely necessary to identify me as a company, just as a friend who got scammed. If you're going to do it please keep the thread title the same then in the post write: I'm posting this for a friend who doesn't have access to SB. Then follow with a copy and paste of my first post. Also important to attach the image of the receipt.

I would like this on SB. For search engine purposes the thread title should be the same. I don't have much info on them other than whats on the website. I added Shai Torres' tel. # in the US and email to the first post. Here's their address, looks like they're in Rishon LeZion.

42 Ben Zvi St. Alba House, Rishon LeZion 75633, Israel

I've been able to get through to the factory consistently dialing 011-3-951-1340 Nobody there speaks English BTW.

Torres is a name some of you may have seen on shafts. Torres is a metal fabrication company located in Israel that manufactures a variety of spearfishing gear, but are usually recognized for their "Torres shafts" or "Torres spears". This is their small and hard to find website http://torres-diver.dsites.co.il/HTMLs/home.aspx The owner and manager of the Israel factory is Gabi Tores. Tores divers supply, which is the Torres distributor in the US, is owned and run by his son Shai Tores. They sell spears and other spearfishing stuff to a few local dive shops like Austins and a few on the gulf coast.

Torres and specifically Shai Tores are lying scammers to be avoided doing business with. On 10/29/2008 (almost one year ago) I along with another person made a bank transfer to Tores divers supply for the amount of $750 each as down payment for an order of shafts, so as to meet the minimum order quantity as specified by Shai Tores. The delivery date of 3 months has long come and gone. Shai Tores left the US and returned to Israel and wouldn't answer our phone calls and emails. At one point I called the factory in Israel directly and managed to get him on the phone as he didn't know who was calling. I was then fed a BS story and a promise for a new delivery date. This new delivery date has also come and gone. I then called again and spoke with Shai's father Gabi Tores, the owner of the factory, and was given the exact same runaround which date expired a week ago.

Safe to say I will not be seeing the $750 nor the shafts. Since being scammed by Shai Tores who initially was asking for full payment before putting through the non existent shaft order, I found out about other people, dive shop owners to whom he has done similar things. All I can do is pass along this info in an attempt to put a dent in his shitty little business. Here's a copy of the bank transfer receipt. If anyone would like to get in touch with Shai Tores and let him know that his business practices are public knowledge here is his information:

Shai Tores
813-545-6469
shaitores@gmail.com

Shai Tores may also be operating under the name TNT Spearfishing.

Here's a link to the SB thread on the same with more accounts from other people of Torres' shenanigans http://spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=91786

Agent provocateur

Thanks John.

Were you thinking about GWS?

Not a steep angle, the correct angle http://spearfishing.world/fins…carbon-fins-for-sale.html

Some observations about blade angle http://spearfishing.world/fins…er-edge-and-waterway.html

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The way I reasoned the lack of propulsion with the DiveR blades is this. Apart from the heaviness/length combination there had to be another reason because if the heaviness/length was the only factor then by exerting more effort I should have been able overcome it and create more propulsion. The problem is with the angle. Increasing the angle for more comfortable surface swimming has a trade off. This is obvious if you consider that the angle can't be increased forever. It can't be increased forever because the energy transfer on the down stroke starts to lag more and more behind your kick and the up stroke becomes more and more difficult just like doing a ham curl. This is why I worked out my hams the first time I used the DiveR blades. There is a sweet spot where ankle comfort, energy transfer to the blade and the discharge of this energy into the water are at correct balance. The DiveR IMO passed this point. There is a reason why all blades on the market maintain an angle less than 20 degrees against the DiveR 25 degrees. After the first day using the DiveR I thought it might work out. I figured I can never increase the tendon strength in my ankles but my hams will get stronger eventually and I'll be able to handle the blades. This idea flew out the window when I realized how far the blade lags behind on the down stroke. This is when I made the decision that I don't want to use these blades any more.

I considered that but rather I think that because the shaft is springy there's more length for the force of impact to be dissipated. The shaft will bend rather than tear out the track. You can simulate this quite easily.

Interesting report.

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I haven't thought about it till now (just done it) but more length is interchangeable with more band load isn't it?

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Half track is easier to break than full track.

Davie, why is that?

Monster, I guess I see things from the consumer end, which is a good thing

I'm the opposite of a gear whore, I'm a minimalist. I like to have one of each thing needed for spearfishing, or if the possibility exists of losing gear then another one of the same as backup. I'm set on the gun that I like. Future changes will not be a matter of manufacturer as I make the gun myself, just small adjustments in length, width and height . All the info is in this thread http://spearfishing.world/spea…ially-enclosed-track.html The general premise is that I like a wood gun with as slim a stock as possible bringing it close to the maneuverability of a pipe gun. The important details to me are:

Rear handle.
Short butt extension for hip loading.
My handle which brings the grip very close to the plane of the spear.
If I can get away with a fully enclosed track without breaking the track near the muzzle then I prefer that, if not then an enclosed track half way.
Auto resetting line release.
Mech for square notched shaft.
Single flopper, sharkfin tab spear with the first tab being as close to the mech as possible.
13" of spear overhang.
Solid muzzle.
Shark spike.
Replaceable wishbones.

I'm not any great hunter but I have no complaints for the reef fishing we do here, even with the occasional big cobia, AJ, or cuda. I figure if I can consistently hit those 12" long 1" wide cero mackerels mid body then everything's cool.

I'm going to quote you in the other thread anyways Glad you liked them :thumbsup1:

These are the fins LB is talking about.

Maybe the rubber skirt loses some of it's flexibility over time?

Lets have a thread about this gun. I remember something about an enclosed track for half the length of the gun..

Glad they worked out for you and thanks for the positive review. Did you end up getting the 3mm socks?

I take that back. Jacksonville is like 8 hr drive north right? That could make for a serious temp difference. Hold on to your 5mm at least for the coldest days of the winter, why not be cozy if you can? You're used to colder water so at first and until you get fully acclimated it may seem like you don't need it.