the hand on the gun has to act like a fulcrum to some extent. the muzzle is a lot easier to move than your hand and arm. I always felt the gun wants to come up because of you arm moving the force that was going back, up
Posts by LunkerBuster
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hahaha, see, this is what happens when a real engineer sees a non-engineer's scematics...he has to draw better ones...nice.
in comparing the force loads from parallel bands to those mounted a little lower in the muzzle, what is the difference in the additional force pulling up on the muzzle?
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I'll tell you something, considering how much I hate poor vis, the kind of diving we did on Sat was surprisingly enjoyable to me. I think what made the difference was #1 no current as you said, and #2 that every dive put me on a nice concentration of fish, even if not many were shootable. For me what kills it is diving dead zones which happens much more diving in Miami.
i really agree with this comment, Dan we have spoken before about how poor vis can just ruin a dive like nothing else, I think you raise a valid point here. by seeing a lot of marine life, it does the same thing that good viz does too, just in a more concentrated space.
I was diving last week and our first spot had great vis and no fish and it was not fun, the stop at the first reef on the way in was about half the vis but tons of fish and bait everywhere and i really enjoyed the dives there...the 4lb hog didnt hurt either

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sorry buddy...stupid work is in the way again...you know i'll be out on sat..you wanna borrow the micromask then?
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yeah friend, I have been flying in the face of clean-shaven divers from the first day.
beards are fine, it is the moustache that gets you...a bit of vasaline will help the mask seal well on even the hairiest lip

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in this high tech scematic i have drawn, the blue lines are the bands and the red lines are meant to indicate the forces on the speargun at tension.
the pink circled area shows, as best i can, the two forces on the muzzle, one pulling the spear through and a second, much weaker on lifting the muzzle
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my thinking is thus...the band is a linear force generator, it pulls equally in both direction until it is at rest. we anchor one side of the bands on our gun and the other to the spear tab so that the linear force goes into the spear and rives it away from the gun...by orienting a band across the flat plane of the spear you are compromising the physics of the band to not just pull the spear in one direction, but now towards the muzzle and down into the stock...this is fine and good for the spear, but the force on the other end of the band now has to go somehwere...since the spear is shot out of the gun and the gun is braced against the shooters hand, the gun will not recoil stright back, rather the force of the band pushes up on the muzzle. this is increased the more the bands are angled as opposed to straight parallel to the spear....ill try to draw something on paint to illustrate it.
in my opinion there is no denying the fact that the bands to raise the muzzle, i just am not convinced that it does it enough to be a factor
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haha steve is right on about those macks...
I think the posture is everything..animals are much more attuned to our nonverbal communication so they can tell what our orientation is...I remember the cuba 1967 video of the World Championships and the Aussie guy is pretending to shoot on the scout dives...he is pointing an outstretched arm and aiming but the fish don't bolt, like they know he is unarmed...yet to my eyes he is doing the same hunting he would be with a gun...this goes to your camera observation Dan, I just feel like there is more to our posture that alerts them or doesnt
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Dan, lets try to do an elongated version of this when we retro-fit the tito gun to a 115/110cm
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I knew he was huge...I guessed one of those snook that buzzed the camera at about 40 inches..you can tell with big snook cos they get that hump on their back once they clear the 35inch range....
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howdy, glad to see some left coasters over here

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nice..any advice on the cleaning to prevent the spoiliage?
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its funny, i havent seem a sheepshead in miami or broward in like 10 months?!? wonder whats up with that
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damn shame you cant spear snook, they seemed to be crawling the wreck on the first dive..
i see no cudas among the haul....did you eat them on the way in?

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Luv- the yellowjacks are not my favorite fish to eat cooked but they are great in ceviche and I have heard that they make delicious sashimi.
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got out today for an afternoon dive..meade st, noon to 5.
some particulate in the water but about 35 ft of vis, dove from the 2nd in about 35-40 ft of water to the edge of the first in about 20-25ft.
lots of close groupers and a few jacks in all the spots...got three hogs, two small (13") and one around 18"first day with the RA and the Tinman muzzle and I am in love...what a nice gun..open muzzles are the only way for me from now on.
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damn nice haul fellas....70ft...WOW, you guys are fish..i was proud of how i was hunting today in 35-40 ft...very impressive and i like how well you watch each other, esp at those depths...stay safe and keep the fish scared

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hahaha...lmao at face first
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i love the shooting face...tells folks you are unstable and watch out

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good point jeff, someone must stand for the inequities that have befallen our honey-vomiting brothers