Just to get this straight, the proposed seasonal closure is for everybody, commercial, recreational, H&L and spearfishing?
yes, that is my understanding...I was more referring to my concern that during the open season it is the commercial guys who deplete the stocks and thus they still get thiers and us honest rec. guys lose a few months of hunting.
i think it reeks of undue influence that the commercial guys have the right to get mre fish and they don't have to be as big, that seems clear.
I am all for the closure if they will result in more grouper of the legal size, my concern is that this just means less fun fishing so the few who make money can continue to do so 
i have written to the NRA and their legal watch group...let's see if they respond
guys...it only takes a second to copy this letter and email it to all of these guys...please send these letters to your friends and families to have them do the same
i believe that is what hau intends to test, along with the effect of said detonation on the muzzle....
assuming all goes well, I will be in the market for two PH's and a sweet pouch.
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here are some sample letters to send to anyone you know and have them email and snail mail their representatives
There is a Sportsman letter and a Concerned citizen letter
CONCERNED CITIZEN LETTER
To the Honorable __________,
I have been a life long resident of the State of Florida and I have always considered it an incredible place to live. I know that you feel the same way and that is why it is imperative that I bring this matter to your attention. There is currently a proposal , by the The National Park Service, U.S. Department of the Interior (NPS) on the table that concerns Biscayne Bay National Park but effects us all as Floridians. This proposal is discriminatory and not based on any sound scientific research. The suggested plans in the proposal arbitrarily and inaccurately vilifies the spearfishing community and offers only unfounded and outright false statements to support such claims.
This is of GREAT concern to me as a citizen and sportsman. I do not want to think that any governmental branch of this State would be a part of arbitrary and discriminatory law making and I am sure you do not either. As a longtime recreational angler, both with a rod and reel as well as various types of spearfishing, I have always sought to responsibly enjoy our oceans while doing my utmost to ensure a healthy and thriving fish population for many many generations to come. These proposal alternatives, specifically 2,3,4 and 5 and
I urge you to please get involved in this legislation and speak out in opposition of discrimination and reckless protection of our precious marine resources.
Thank you in advance,
________________
SPORTSMAN LETTER
To the Honorable_________,
I am certain that you, like me, know the very significant importance of the Florida Bay as a microcosm of the entire eastern seaboard, predicting and revealing changes in the ecosystem, and I am sure that you know that this marine nursery is home to many many species of animal, some unique in the world.
Given the importance of this area, it is very important that we as citizens do not set a terrible example by implementing unsound and unfair regulations pertaining to this area. The current NPS proposals to limit the area to use by hook and line fishermen is terribly unsound from a scientific standpoint as well as blatantly discriminatory. Hook and line(H&L) fishermen do not have the ability to be selective in their fishing the way that spearfishermen and women do. H&L anglers can only attempt to target a particular species, and often end up with unintended by catch. There is ZERO by catch in spearfishing. Further, H&L fishing produces significantly more waste in the form of lines hooks and lures than any spearfishermen could ever match.
All one has to do is take a recreational dive over our reefs to see the tangles of lines, leaders and wasted lead weights that have become commonplace in the biscayne seagrass.
I am all for informed closures, but they must be general closures to all forms of take and should certainly include commercial fishermen first and foremost.
I believe that rather than closures, the best solution may be to increase size restrictions in the given area.
Thank you for your attention
_________________________
(thread in progress, just want as much info up as fast as possible)
Hau, I agree that these methods might not be sufficient, but they are at least a starting point...I urge everyone to forwrd the CONCERNED CITIZEN letter in the new letter thread to everyone they know, this is not just about our rights, it is about bad lawmaking.....
the more people who make noise the better and this might get non sportsmen and women too.
guys...it only takes a second to copy this letter and email it to all of these guys...please send these letters to your friends and families to have them do the same
yeah, you are correct...that is an awfully complicated solution to a simple problem
heatgun sounds about right....
i have a great idea...use a very low conductivity rod that is thin(maybe lead) and take four of them.....using a thin copper wire make a lattice that braids the rods together into a clover shape...then heat just the copper wire by resistance method and it shold get heat into all the spaces and still be done with low current
i too am waiting with anticipation to hear how the PH works out 
Dan- can you still get those PH's?
I am trying to work with those who are setting this up and the most important first step is to let it be known that we are against this...I will be posting smaple letters here and on SB along with contact info for state and local representatives...getting the politicians involved is our best hope since no one elects the NPS folks, they for some reason dont care about what the citizens think.
please dont be complacent guys...this is a big deal that effects us all
wow, this is very exciting...I have to agree that this might be the ultimate railgun barrel...clearly the implications for hybrids are many and exciting too
very cool idea Jeff....have you thought about a larger(thicker) metal rod as the core...then the resistance heater would get to the entire interior and the inner form might keep better cos it is more metal.....also, freezing the metal rod might help it to keep the wax cool during the curing phase
way beyond my diving range...sounds like a cool trip for sure
i don't need bands but i would be in on bulk rubber for sure
welcome friend---seems like you have much knowledge to offer..I look forward to learning and talking with you
I too received my pair and I was really impressed with them, they just feel very solid and well made...not that this was a surprise, but they were even more impressive then the picture conveyed.
I have the white one mounted and will hopefully get to test it soon
very cool idea
