Posts by Stonecutter

    So after I sorted out the ballast issue on my Andre 120, I decided to change the finish of the gun itself. The surface was finished with this orangey thick stain and I never liked it from the start. I prefer natural finishes, but I couldn't discern what the wood looked like, because it was solid color stain. So I took a chance and figured I could always use a penetrating stain to unify the color later if I didn't like the results of the sanding.


    Sanding revealed three different grains and colors, with the two center laminates being the same, but the outer two were different. One is more blonde and wider grained, like sapwood, and the other side was darker, almost like an olive color, with some figuring along its length. The gun is described as teak, and I have no reason to think its something else. It appears to be typical natural variation.


    I started sanding with 120 grit to get the orange stain off, then gradually took it up to 600. The whole gun took sanding very well, and I was able to sand out a couple flaws here and there, so that satisfied my detailing ocd a bit. :) speaking of which, I would have preferred the outer edges match up in grain and color a little better, but I do like the character of the wood. So the whole thing was finished with teak oil. I've been applying it for the last 5 days, letting it soak in, reapplying, etc,etc. Today I gave it a final heavy coat, then wiped off the excess after about 2 hours...it won't take any more so I'm done. I did leave the heavier factory stain inside the shaft track, under the handle frame and the band holes. I figured it was more durable for these higher wear areas than an oil finish and it's so low visibility it wouldn't matter on the final finish.


    Before oiling, I reshaped the forward edge of the depression for the line release, kind of like how Ulusub guns are. It's a better design imo, because of how the line sits on the wood in relation to the release and I like how it looks...its reminiscent of the shape on the ejection ports of some of the guns I've shot before. I hope you don't mind an imitation of your wood craft, Jon. Someday I'll order one of yours and I wont need to do anything but shoot fish with it.:D


    For the SS handle frame, it was sanded down to give it a brushed, matte finish. It came with a high polish and I'm not a fan of that. I like the mix of traditional looks and tactical function..so matte finishes are what I prefer. I know it's the Indian and not the arrow, but I like asthetics of the tools I use as much as function. It kind of adds to the experience when you like the look of the tools or weapons you're using.


    Here's a few pics...1 at a time courtesy of iPad....


    Seem like that did the trick. I'm sanding the whole gun down because I don't like the orangey stain that is on it from the factory. When I'm done sanding, I'll coat it with teak oil. Thanks for the suggestions guys!

    Finally, I reinstalled the AR handle and float tested with no lead in the rear recess. I left the lead alone on the front recess. This was a screen shot from a short video I took.


    Success! So I chiseled the wooden plug and exposed the lead ballast. They used rolled sheet lead, the exact kind I've used to flash 100 year old stone chimney's. I removed all of it and reinstalled the AR15 handle and tested it in the ocean. It floats perfectly. I will hang onto the sheet lead to tweek the gun ballast as needed....I'm sure once I go under with it and install a reel things will need adjusting. But at least is not a sinker anymore. I'll post some pictures later

    Why would you not go diving? It's not ideal but wouldn't stop me from using this gun if I had nothing else. You should be using a float line/float/flag.


    Just having available time to get out is all I meant. Not having a gun wouldn't stop me, I've got a nice pole spear to use. I'm going to start working on the gun today and I'm hoping to have it done by Monday.

    Hi Hank,


    Yeah bummer on the timing. I just went with some friends on Sunday to a couple spots on the west side of the island. We only went out for a couple hours to catch stuff for shore lunch. Now that I've got to sort out the gun I'm not sure went the next time will be.


    Telecaster forum? No, that's not me, but I am on about a dozen different kinds of forums with this name. I had a stonemasonry business for almost 20 years, thus the name. Maybe that guy is a stonemason too...or a Simpsons fan.

    Thanks Jon! The gun is handle heavy and it sinks with the front of the gun is up at better than a 45 degree angle. I'll keep this thread updated. I appreciate the advice.

    I'm guessing that this is where the lead is, because there's no visible plug anywhere else except up near the line anchor. Any Thoughts?



    I've got none of my tools here, so I'll probably just buy a sharp wood chisel and carefully gouge out the plug and then start playing around with getting this gun to float with a handle on it.

    I just took the handle off the gun, brought it down to the beach for a float test and it floated perfectly level. Next, I reinstalled the original teak handle. The gun sank just like with the other handle. Having not built a gun before, my best guess it that the ballast testing is done without the handle installed. So I've got a sinker...crap.



    I guess my next move is to take out some lead as suggested. Under the base plate for the handle frame, I see a glued in square plug, which I assume is where the lead is. I have to post one pic at a time, for some reason I can't do more with an iPad.


    Here's the overview of the base plate location and ballast plug.


    Not sure if the gun was sinking with original handle? If not, then you could put a piece of Foam inside that Grip. If the gun was sinking before you changed the Handle frame out, look for the Lead recesses. You will need to either take lead out, or swap for a thinner shaft.


    Thank you for the reply.


    I'm going to check that today and put the original handle on. I was thinking the same thing with the foam in the handle...even tried a couple wine corks but it didn't make a difference. I sure hope I don't have to start messing around with the lead and all that.


    As for swapping for a thinner shaft, am I missing something? Don't most guns sink with a shaft in the rail?


    Hey thanks for the reply, Dan.


    I'm surprised too. I was out with friends a couple days ago ( I used my pole spear) and both had 120 riffe guns that floated like corks after the shot. Mine goes down handle first and slowly sinks. The gun is teak. No epoxy track...this is an open track gun.


    The teak handle I swapped has the same frame, though the AR frame has a small block to which the handle screws too. I hadn't thought of that until now and that may be the problem...but I doubt it, because there's no metal in the handle like the teak one. So I think they are close to the same. I'm going to have to take it off an see what happens. Besides this, you're right, there's nothing else to do.


    I was thinking of ways to fix this, but the thought of gutting a brand new gun to fix this issue is not sitting right with me. I've got an email into them right now.