sdeisen88---u r perfectly correct. Tomorrow will be a great day for u to study and work.
So I won't waste ur time by inviting u to come over and YAK SURF with us at 8am <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">
[sorry Steven, I couldn't resist]
Anyone else is welcome to join in. I would suggest NOT bringing any spearin or divin gear. We can go to any beach [Meade, Dania pier,or Sian. Don't matter to me but I can only go til noon]
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All I can say is WOW and thank you Jeff 
I made 1 call to McMaster-Carr, gave them the part numbers [that TinMan spent lots of time researching out], credit card stuff, UPS store nearest me and my drill bits MAY be here tomorrow
Thank you TinMan for once again going above and beyond to help me :clap2:Dan---I ordered 4 5/64 bits. If you would like 1 or 2 just let me know
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Looks like we're fu-ked for a while

FRIDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS 20 TO 25 KNOTS. SEAS 7 TO 9 FEET.
SATURDAY
NORTHEAST WINDS 25 TO 30 KNOTS. SEAS 8 TO 10 FEET.
SUNDAY
EAST WINDS 20 TO 25 KNOTS. SEAS 5 TO 7 FEET.
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OH oh---it is the middle of the day and Dan is off line==could be expensive

Just waiting to see if today is the happiest day of this new boat owner and what he comes home with <img src= " height="23" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x"> -
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1. With a TinMan 2 hole spike muzzle;
55 1/4in from tip of the delron muzzle back to the furtherest part [above the web of your hand]
57in from the muzzle tip back to th furtherest part of the grip
edit--55in from the muzzle tip back to where the web of the shooters hand is on the grip2. According to FF, the best selling shaft diam is 7mm, with 7.5 the second best seller. [That is why I pressed RA so hard to develop a 7mm slip tube shaft]
Most California WSB spearos use 7mm diam also3. According to Austins, the standard shaft length is 40cm OVER the gun length. So a RA120 gun would have a 160cm shaft.
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I did a sea/air trial on one of these 2 years ago. Was a lot of fun and great for spotting reef, finding birds on fish, smooth/fast ride an with the wheels accessory u could take off from a parking lot. Was a little loud though.
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WOW, nice find greekdiver

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Dan---Thanks for the offer of the pins

I wanted to use a very small size pin as I don't want to weaken the RA shaft any more than necessary. That is why I tried at first to just put a tab on top of the shaft with no hole drilling but that didn't work. The hole and pin method is going to be something that I can do at home to all my shafts once I find the 5/64 bit.The 5/64 pin is plenty big enough to hold th minimum pressure of a band just enough to keep it hooked onto the shaft. If I can't find the 5/64th bit then I'll have to use a bigger hole and bigger pin.
You were correct about the tungsten carbide bits. I chucked up the 1/8th tc in the drill press and in a few min the RA shaft was drilled
ThanksMaybe TinMan or someone knows where to get 5/64th tungsten carbide bits.
I was hoping to find them local though.edit---The PINNED RA shafts from the factory use pins less than 1/8in diam to hold fully stretched bands, so there is no doubt that the 5/64in pin is plenty strong enough to hold a band just 15in back from the muzzle end. A 5/64in hole will weaken the spear less than a 1/8th hole.
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Dan---good point about using a band slot.

[Did I miss seeing the spike on the muzzle
]TinMan-- as the proud owner of several TinMan products in the past I have ultimate confidence in your ability.

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Dan--my good friend seaweed taught me that when the current is N to South and the tide is outgoing that the viz south of the Dania inlet [?] is clouded up with all the brown water and debis from the inlet waters.
I can go to sites that tell me when the tide is outgoing but need to know when the near shore current is south flowing. The Dania / Meade reef viz is not clouded up by the inlet water if the current is south to north. The opposite is true if I was hunting Vista reefs that are North of the inlet1/8 is 3/64th bigger than the pin I want to use and the pin is so sloppy in the 1/8 hole that the pin adhesive [JB Weld] has to have strength to hold the pin from rotating forward in the sloppy hole. A 5/64 hole would be the correct size and all the adhesive would have to do is keep the pin from slipping out. The 5/64 pin hole would be tight enough that the pin could not rotate forward.
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TinMan---
:hooray: :ymca: :stars6:
Just cut the stock off just behind that nice angled grip an I'll take two guns as soon as available.
Thank you JeffPS--For Sale; 3 POS RA spearguns; 1 110cm, 1 120 CF, 1 130cm RA celerberty gun:)
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Now I have 2 questions for local spearos
1. is there anywhere a site or information as to near shore water current direction flow?
[I want to be able to know which direction the near shore current is moving before I paddle all the way out to the 3rd reef. N to S flow ==crap viz]
[thanks seaweed
]2. I need a 5/64 tungsten carbide drill bit to drill my RA shafts. All I can find so far is 1/8 at McDonalds Hwd on 84th. 1/8 is way to big
Does anyone know where I can purchase a 5/64th tc bit please?Thanks for the help
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TinMan---I can't wait to see your new gun:clap2:
Will you be selling any?
[don't worry about the pad, u can cut it off just behind the handle for me to chest load
]Thanks TinMan and griswold for all you guys do to contribute to our sport and way of life
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11-1 at Meade #142
in at 830 an out at 1230
3 dogs, 1 schoolmaster
seas almost FLAT11-2 at Meade #143
in at 8am-out at 1230
2 macs, 2 hogs, 3 dogs, 2 schoolmasters
very quiet out on the ocean, flat an no wind, viz getting better11-3 at Meade #144
begin at 830-------------------------end at 5pm
wind from E at 3mph---------------from E at 8mph
water temp 79f
current from N at 1 1/2mph------from N at 1/2mph
viz 55f in 65fsw--------------------30f in 50fsw
seas flat----------------------------less than 2f
air 74F 5% clouds----------------85F 25% cloudsMe an sdeisen88 started out at 830 and he had to work so he stopped at the second reef to hunt
I yaked on out to the 3rd and found a top at 50fsw and anchored up at first then drifted. The sand was 65fsw
got 2 hogs, 3 jacks, 1 30in mac, 1 16in mutton and 1 TWENTY-FIVE inch mutton
[may b my PB mutton]
I'ts been 13 months since I speared in deeper water an it was WONDERFUL
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Not posting a pic of your work would be criminal.
Ya Mon---thats me, criminal still at large

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This is the latest update on my 'hau extra band tab'
Finally put more effort into getting the extra band tab onto my shafts.
I followed Dans suggestion of the drilling and pinning today
The ONLY bit that would touch the RA spear is tungston carbide in a drill press with lots of time / patience / and cutting oil. Problem is the smallest tungston carbide bit I could find was 1/8. My pins [SS brads from West Marine] are 5/64 so there is lots of slop which may be good as the excess hole size allowed me to lay the pin down at an angle back towards the trigger. I drilled 1 shaft and set the pin into the hole and filled the pin hole with superglue gel. Solder would not stick to the shaft. If the superglue gel fails I'll go to JB Weld to glue in the pin.
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Tin Man---SWEET modification:)
How hard would it be to incorporate a trigger mech like that into an enclosed track euro pipe gun?
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Tin Man---you know me and the picture thing:(
What I did was to take your two hole spike muzzle and ground and filed it down so that it resembles a Hammer Head muzzle WITH a kill spike.
I didn't touch the top of the muzzle where the shaft track is or the bottom of the muzzle so that the spike remains supported just as you built it.
I filed down the sides of your muzzle to just over the OD of my RA 120 CF barrel and tapered that diam. up to the shaft track and down to the angle you built on the bottom for the spike.
Next I tapered the muzzle [on the non shooting line side]from the back diam to the front of the muzzle so that the non line side is 7/16 out from the center of the spike/track line. Next time I get in the water I'm going to see if the shooting line groove is even needed. I'm going to wrap the shooting line over the spear then around the spike an back to the line release. If this works then I'll file down the line side of the muzzle just like the non line side. The muzzle will end up being aprox 13/16 wide at the front and 1 7/16 tall [original diam]
Last I flied down band groove tracks into the muzzle so that there was much less shoulder that the bands had to turn around to go back to the shaft when cocked.
I WAS going to drill out the muzzle shaft where the muzzle goes into the barrel to lighten the muzzle until I put a new band in the sink and saw that it floated. I probably will not need to drill out the muzzle shaft as I am going to start using 2 bands on my gun instead if 1
Sorry for the long dissertation. Was just trying to make it as clear as possible. [a picture is worth a 1000 words:)]
I love the delrin. It is so easy to work
Thanks for the beautiful muzzle/spike design Tin Man