GFT Carbonio Agguato fins & Delta One vs Omer Stingray foot pockets

  • Many have been asking me about these fins and pockets so I thought I would post up my personal toughts


    Full Version:I recently purchased the GFT Carbonio Agguato fins in Medium Stiffness when they had their intro prices. I wanted to buy the hard because I like stiff fins but Brian and Mike called me on a 3 way call prior to ordering because they wanted to discuss their fins with me and make sure I got the perfect fins. This was really cool and I must say the service is top notch. They told me the GFT fins run much stiffer than than most other Carbon fins on the market. I decided to take their advice and got the Medium stiffness rather than Hard. I already had a pair of Omer Stingray footpockets that was planning on using with these fins but they discussed the differences of the Delta One pockets with me. My interest was peaked in the delta one's so I bought a pair as well. Since I had two sets of pockets I decided to do some testing of the fins with both. I have done some hard diving which included both deeper dives and also a lot of surface swiming too, both here in SoCal and in Baja. I also dove one day with one of each pocket on my foot to really see a difference.


    GFT Carbonio Agguato Fins: The fins have a nice 22 degree angle to them which I have really come to like in fins. My good buddy has some C4's in the 40 stiffness which is C4's hardest stiffness and my Mediums were much harder than those. If you like a Medium stiffness in other brands you should get the Softs if you buy GFT. These Carbons have a nice rebound which is like having another kick after you kick which is a different feeling than fiberglass. The fins have a nice water rail similar to the C4 type fin, I like this and did not notice any trouble turning underwater at all. The carbon thichness tapers from thick at the base to thin at the tip. These fins were like two different fins in the different pockets so I will highlight the differences.


    Omer Stingray Pockets: These are by far the nicest pockets that Omer has released. They fit my foot perfectly which I really liked. Their rails are much much stiffer than the Delta Ones. One problem of using the GFT blades with the Omer pocket was that the part of the blade that enters the pocket is about an inch too short or the the omer pocket was too deep depending how you look at it. This caused the angle of the blade be further back than it should and caused an over hang on the pocket that you can see in the picture. It also caused the fin to be a little shorter due to the fin going so far back into the pocket which you can also see in the pictures. This could be a problem if you want to put screws in since you would have to put the screw right in the middle of the bend which I don't think would be good. An alternative is to not completely seat the blade all the way back and then put screws in which might work. I just opted to glue the fins in. When kicking I initally "felt" like I had much more power due to immediate resistance I would feel but it was also hard work to dive with these fins in these pockets. One thing I found was when I kicked really hard the the bottom of the pocket that holds the fin would bend and cause me to lose power. Maybe screwing the pockets in would fix this but once again I didn't feel these pockets matched these pockets 100% but these could be great pockets for another fin if you like really stiff rails.


    Delta One Pockets: It is obvious that the GFT's are built with the delta ones in mind due to the perfect fit of the two. Very comfortable, soft on top and very stiff on the bottom. The rails are really soft which was different. I didn't like the soft rails right off the bat because it felt like I did't have any power, I thought for sure I was going to stick with omers when I was pool testing. After more real life testing in the ocean I found that it wasn't the case. The Delta ones would really alow the fin freedom of movement and would cause that "second kick" effect after you already kicked. They made for a much more relaxing dive not having to work my feet as hard which I came to realize after a long day of diving. When coming up with the fins from a deep dive I didn't feel any faster than the with the Omer pocket and always came up at the same rate. These fins have a notch in the back which is needed to fit the delta ones since the delta ones has a chanel of plastic in the area where the fins go in. I think the idea is that having this will not allow the pocket to flex where it holds to fin. It seemed to work and I didn't find this area flexed at all like the Omer's when kicking really hard. The pockets didn't fit my foot as perfectly as the omers did but they still fit very well and were very comfortable.


    Summary: The fins perform great and I will continue to use the Delta One's with these fins since they are made for each other but if you really like the Omer Stingrays they are a good alternative.

  • thanks for the review..I have a couple of questions.. Ithought that cf fins were not supposesd to be too stiff because the memory of the material allows for good "snap" even with softer fins..do you think you are putting more effort into finning than might be needed?


    also, the pictures of the OMER and your description sound like they would be really annoying to use with the poor fit and the flexing on the hard kick cycles. would you think that a shim added to the FP area would secure the fin and reduce that? otherwise it sounds no good.


    and lastly, you said the delta pockets were comfy but didnt fit as well, what in particular was less comfortable?


    thanks again


    oh, and if you dont mind, how much were the blades and the Delta pockets?

    i like to spear fish

  • Good review Ephraim. Looking at the pic of the back edge of the carbon blades, I can tell you that even having that slot, the depth of the slot will not not allow the back edge of the blade to go all the way into the Delta one foot pockets. This is because the tab inside the Salvimar foot pocket is longer than the slot on the blades. I know because I cut open the Delta one foot pocket before I threw them out.


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  • Ithought that cf fins were not supposesd to be too stiff because the memory of the material allows for good "snap" even with softer fins..do you think you are putting more effort into finning than might be needed?


    I think its all personal preference. I like stiffer fins and the Medium is nice for me but medium is generally too soft for me in other fins. Just a disclaimer since I think most spearos who like true mediums would prefer teh GFT soft if there were to buy this brand of fin. They do have a very nice snap to them.


    also, the pictures of the OMER and your description sound like they would be really annoying to use with the poor fit and the flexing on the hard kick cycles. would you think that a shim added to the FP area would secure the fin and reduce that? otherwise it sounds no good.


    It was only noticable when kicking really hard like fighting full might against a fish. I think screwing the fins in would fix it but then you would have to move the fin forward inthe pocket so you don't drill at the angle. I think it comes down to these pockets not being the perfect fit with these fins. They fit perfectly to the delta ones so for these fins those pockets would be a better option and thats one of the reasons I kept the Delta ones for these fins.


    you said the delta pockets were comfy but didnt fit as well, what in particular was less comfortable?


    Nothing was less comfortable. I had not performance issues or discomfort, it just wasn't as perfect of a fit as the Omer for my foot. I can't really apply this to others because everyone's foot shape it different but for me the heel of the Delta pockets are a little larger than the omers. For my foot this leaves a very small gap on the bottom of the heel. The fin is not loose to the point of slipping off its just not as snug in that one area for me. For someone with a different type foot this might be the perfect pocket and for me it still fits great. I was just pointing out a very small difference. Basically this is a personal fit thing not really a performance thing just like a wetsuit.


    oh, and if you dont mind, how much were the blades and the Delta pockets?[/QUOTE]


    The price I bought at was the limited intro price they had in august to intro them to the US market. I spent like $265 for the fins and $100 for the pockets. When I saw that I jumped on it. I'm sure they are more now.

  • Good review Ephraim. Looking at the pic of the back edge of the carbon blades, I can tell you that even having that slot, the depth of the slot will not not allow the back edge of the blade to go all the way into the Delta one foot pockets. This is because the tab inside the Salvimar foot pocket is longer than the slot on the blades. I know because I cut open the Delta one foot pocket before I threw them out.


    Cool pic. I wonder if they have changed the pocket some recently.When I looked back into my pocket it didn't seem as deep on the sides like yours. I can tell in the picture it goes really deep on the sides in your picture. I should measure how deep it goes on mine to see if its the same or if they made some structual changes to t he pocket. In any case it does go back just far enough to line up the angle of the blade and the pocket. Thanks.

  • Cool review. I remember the original post from Dan and his frustration when he cut the footpocket (the post must still be on the gear review).


    How does the blade compare to the C4 40 blade? - is it stiffer just the blade, or with the footpockets rails?
    Which C4 are you comparing with - the Mustang doesn't have any footpocket rails, while other C4 are using regular footpockets hence they have the tendons.


    What are the overall dimensions - full length with the footpocket, width?


    What is the warranty and how long did it take to receive them?


    How deep the dives? did you get a chance to count the kicks on deeper dives? Any current to speak off?


    What is your constitution (height, weight)?


    Thanks,
    Stefan

  • How does the blade compare to the C4 40 blade? - is it stiffer just the blade, or with the footpockets rails?
    Which C4 are you comparing with - the Mustang doesn't have any footpocket rails, while other C4 are using regular footpockets hence they have the tendons.


    I compared them to the c4 Falcons.


    What are the overall dimensions - full length with the footpocket, width?


    The fins are 80cm by 19cm I didn't measure them in the pockets.


    What is the warranty and how long did it take to receive them?


    They say the warranty is 2 years but I haven't had to test it so I can't really attest to it. It took a little while to recieve them. When I bought them it was at the intro stage and they still hadn't recieved them from Italy yet but they were very good about letting me know right from the start that it was going to take a while. Before I even placed the order they told me how long it was going to take and not to order if i was in a hurry. Now I'm guessing they are in stock so I don't know how fast or slow you would get them.


    How deep the dives? did you get a chance to count the kicks on deeper dives? Any current to speak off?'


    The deepest I went is 70ft. I did a lot of diving in the 50-60ft range. I also did a lot of surface swiming and did run into current in La Paz. The have the angle like the DiveR's which really helps with that.


    What is your constitution (height, weight)?
    I'm 6ft 185lbs

  • awesome feedback, thanks a lot...looking at the end of the blades and the FP cut away (thanks dan) it looks like they included the little barrier as both a way of stiffening that area of the fin and ALSO to stop the blade in the right location...follow my reasoning...the OMER pocket was too deep for the blades. the barrier which looks like it is a lot longer than the cut out in the blade, makes the blade stop at the correct natural point in the FP...if one wnated to use the small barrier exclusively to stiffen the FP, it would be wider to better distribute the pressure across more area.


    looks like they took the blade they liked and planned to make the FP able to secure it in the ideal position.


    it still defeats the use of almost any other blade though which is a big bummer to me



    thanks for taking the time to answer the questions...enjoy em and dive safely

    i like to spear fish

  • FWIW the effect of the back edge of the blade pushing through the sole of the foot pocket and thereby creating a loss during the power transfer, is dependent more than anything else on the stiffness of the rubber at the sole of the footpocket. Pathos, Picasso, Beuchat, and Nemo footpockets have rigid/good soles, you can't feel the back of the blade moving at all. This is achieved without any "tabs".

  • I had thought this. I was sort of giving the delta the benefit of " if all of their claims are true"


    I find that even under the few circumstances when I have kicked as hard as i could, the weakest point was always my ankle and never the sole of the FP on me H dessault

    i like to spear fish

  • Thanks for answering all the questions!
    I like the angle, the lenght is OK-ish, a bit narrow (though it is a trend) - the dimensions seems identical with the ones from Hawaii, same for the material, maybe even the side rails.
    I'm not sold on the delta - the only potential role I see is to align the blade with the footpocket... No go for me.

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