Posts by sdeisen

Quote from hank

One thing I'm gathering from this thread is that one man's idea of "power" in a gun is different from another's.

When I got my DWong 55 hybrid, Daryl had put two bands, 24" and 26", normal 14 mm (not small ID Dan Bands) bands on it. I guess he thinks I'm a feeble old fart. I brought it back and one of the first five or so fish I shot with it was a 43 lb cubera.
It was a bit of a long shot, (two wraps of line extended) and it still penetrated through the body and out the gill plate, opening the flopper. You can see the entry and exit points in the pictures. I was lying on a ledge above the fish who was facing at about a 30 degree angle away from me.
I suppose you could use a bit more power if a wahoo was swimming away from you in open water, but a cubera has thick skin and it penetrated the gill on the way out. How much power does one need?
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Indeed

Welcome, great pics

Quote from Treebilly3

Ok so who's doing the tests? Lots of interesting info but I don't see it winning any arguments. Seems like it could be a fairly simple test setup if some one has the time.

Mokoa has agreed to do it with 3 diff setups he had but it will take a while cause he's busy he said.

If anyone has two comparable railguns, one standard and one roller maybe it will happen sooner

Quote from Dan

A euro speargun in its most conventional form is a chest loading speargun with a hollow pipe for a barrel, a rear integrated handle/trigger mechanism, and a simple double notched shaft. The shaft has a round notch to match the trigger mechanism round sear.

There are intricate wood euros, with enclosed track and tabbed shaft. The only common denominator you will find here is a rear handle and chest loading.

A Riffe euro even has a butt extension, I think that pushes it past being a euro.You don't even know what model Cressi he has, nuff said

The kind with a muzzle, tube and handle I'd bet.

What I meant its functionally he will not be surprised. That was his question.

The phantom will be just like your cressi, just newer. No surprises

Nice work. I'm very jealous. I bet you were grouchy without your gps & bottom machine. Beautiful muttons

great video. Norway is always enticing.

Welcome!

Marco you said you bought a roller kit and we're gonna take pics, what's the deal?

Quote from Treebilly3

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Quote from Chase

Ive been using the speardiver open cell 3mm vest during the warmer months with great results. Idk about you, but my core gets cold easy. With the vest on I can dive all day spring - fall until the water drop below 80 degrees.

Most people wouldn't think that 77` is cold but thats what my watch has been reading as far as temperature this winter and it still feels chilly sometimes even with a good 3mm suit. A few of my dive buddies still get cold with their 3mm suit and hood. I guess from spending hours in the water the chill creeps up on you.

Chase

My build makes it so that the vest rides up on me, that's why I'd need a beaver tail. I've had two diff speardiver vests and they are great, I'm just cursed (in regard to fitting wetsuits) with bein tall and thin. The water temp should have gotten a decent bit colder than 77, especially in these months (water temp lags late into winter and spring) Im pretty sure like 2-3 years ago it dipped to 66-68 when we had that chilly winter. So you should at least be below 74 right now from Miami up to Jupiter or so. I've had two dive watches that read temp and neither was on.

Quote from Wishihadgills

I'm with you. I get cold and most of those numbers do not reflect my personal ranges and in hind site could all be bumped up a couple degrees for a more realistic view but I was just putting minimums.

I wear my 3mm all year in Miami. In the very warmest parts of the summer I will put on 1.5 lined pants to allow water circulation. In the winter I might look into a 5mm top or maybe a full suit.

Same, except when it gets really warm (maybe one month at most of the summer) Ill wear a shortie surf wetsuit if noones looking, or just wear some farmerjohns i have from a previous Oceanos wetsuit.

On a side note what I really want more than anything is a vest with a beavertail, I might buy a speardiver vest and use the remnants from an old top I have to make one. That plus some 3mm shorts would be my personal ideal summer wear. Most people want lycra cover but I don't.

Welcome

Would it not be correct to say that a single band roller gun has the equivalent power of equal length standard single band gun plus the extra cm band stretch your achieving with the roller set up? I only have the most basic understanding of roller guns but it seems that simple. More powerful than a single band gun of the same size but not as powerful as a same sized double band gun.

Quote from Dan

I'd say Steven knows where you're coming from Chase. I think he may have put in more spearfishing time in Broward county in the last 5 years than anyone I know of. I'll bet if you drop him off underwater anywhere on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd reef he'll know exactly where he's at before surfacing :@ You're just picking up where he left

OK chill out kids.

Thank you Dan I should shut up. I think I'm home sick,,,,, and I should look back at my early posts for some humility
Furthermore I've never shot a roller gun or done much shooting with 3 bands

Quote from Chase

Like I've been saying, what long shots on what tough fish? You act like south east Florida is easy to fish. I'd call you a liar if you were. South Florida is getting closer to Hawaii in the sense of less fish and more pressure.. which means it requires more skill. I dive more often than most people, and I don't get too many instances of schools of fish like you may see on YouTube or vimeo. So don't jump in on a conversation when you don't know where I'm coming from... my original argument holds the same, what reef fish requires 3 x 16mm bands? Get your skills up and pop him accurately with 2 x 16mm which is plenty for ANY reef fish..

What I'm sayin is your definition of reef diving doesn't cover everything. Big cuberas and dogtooth tuna are reef fish. Skiddish black grouper are reef fish.

The example that comes to mind is Harry (greekdiver) told me a few weeks or months or whatever back how he took a ong shot on a large gag and it didn't penetrate. His gun has two very short 16mm bands and he's as good a shot as I know and it didnt penetrate a "reef fish"

What I'm saying is maybe there's a world of spearfishing out there your not fully aware of. I bet every fish youve seen could be taken with two bands at any distance. 90% of the fish I've taken have been with a one band 120 railgun and a lot of people scoffed at my choice for using one band. That said there are a TON of reef fish that due to there size (toughness) and distance due to being skiddish (try " getting your skills up" enough to get close to a large cubera. You won't ) that push the limits of a 2 band gun.

Quote from Chase

When would you need 2 bands for barely legal grovers bud? I think you are getting ahead of yourself. I've seen videos of guys shooting marlin with single banded rail guns... What reef fish requires 3 x 16mm bands that you can legally shoot? You sound ridiculous coming out of left field like this....

Long shots on tough fish.

Your concept of "on the reef" doesn't exist. Unless your referring to the shallow stuff off southflorida as "the reef". Hence the barely legal mangroves

Quote from makoa

In all due respect for you Fan and the experience you represent I say the following .You want some one to show you the money...why don't you just try it yourself? That's what I did. The issue for me is not that the power of one is equal to the power of the other. For me and where I hunt mostly, I need a shorter gun without the significant sacrifice of power and effective range of my standard length gun. And I have found the answer in cutting down my barrel and converting to a roller muzzle. I now can maneuver in holes and caves but not miss out on the open water fish. Period. Instead of cerebrally debating the theories of shooting fish, I decided to try it myself and actually get some fish, and I am glad I did. For me it's now knowledge of what works for my circumstance and not merely a theory to be debated over and over and over and over.......again. Just try it. You have the means. Then post YOUR results and experience with it. Perhaps in South Florida's open water your long pipe guns will be a better tool than a shorter roller gun. The point is, unless you actually try it and put the gun through your own personal trial, it will just remain an "idea" and "theory" that you and others are waiting to be convinced by someone else's typed words or posted video.

I respect traditional thought and the experience of spearos world wide. Regardless of how smart scholars may appear to be, there is no substitute for knowledge gained through the actual trial of personal experience. At that point the knowledge is yours and not merely someone else's opinion. So instead of waiting to be shown the money, go try a roller muzzle, put it through your own set of tests based on what you need, then post the results. No one could argue with what you had to say then unless they they haven't done the same.

I was headed out the door to shoot fish when I saw this thread. Now I'm definitely going to shoot some fish.

He did and he hated it, that's where all this is coming from lol

Quote from Chase

You can't honestly say 3 x 16mm bands is nice to shoot. And that's still too much power. What can your fatback kill on the reef that your koah euro with 2 x 16mm can't. 2 x 14mm can handle most anything on the reef.. 2 x 16 is perfect imo. To each his own though, I hope I see Moby on the reef one day <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">

Come on dude don't get ahead of yourself. Shooting a 100lb ulua or a 11 foot shot on a large uku in 75+ fsw is nothing like shooting barely legal mangroves in 30feet of water off Fort Lauderdale beach.

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