Posts by hank

Sorry George. I was typing to Chase's post and yours beat me to the punch.

I think we're in total agreement. I need all the help I can get and for a while I was using my 63 magnum with a float line on the reef. I did hit a big kingfish one day that got off because I hadn't braided my cable shooting line and the crimp slipped.

As I think Steven said earlier, hunting the reef doesn't mean only small fish. Here, you're on the edge of the blue, not like a gentle sloping reef. And anything can show up.....well, not Mahi or marlin but ....

Wongs are a bit pricey but I honestly have gotten a lot back from Daryl. Shafts, a free muzzle that Jake had broken (actually about 3 muzzles were handed to me) bands, floppers and pins, 7 or 8 trips out on his boat and forget about trying to help paying for fuel. Not to mention a drawer full of shirts and hats. And I would bet that if I left the gun on the ground and ran over it with my truck, he'd fix it for free.
Re being heavy, I don't find my 63 Mag to be a burden. It's counter balanced so it's pretty neutral with the shaft in it. Slightly negative but so is any other gun. Big, yes, but in the water, not heavy.

As far as a marketing ploy, you may be right. I don't really see an advantage to the design, but on the other hand, I don't see a disadvantage. But I'm open to learning.

See post 100. I typed it the same time you posted this. <img src= " height="23" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x">

Actually, this one was in a cut. There is a pretty ripping current there and I chummed a place we call the Deep Hole. It's only about 35 feet deep. But I came back and all the chum was gone and there was this guy sitting and staring out into the deeper water. Probably digesting the meal he just had. After i shot, he tried to get back in the hole but it's only about 3 feet wide. That's why he looks beat up on the one side.

Quote from makoa

Hank, where did you get the ci era?

ci era? Is that an auto correct for Cubera? Not sure what you mean, Makoa. But if you DID mean cubera.....I got it at my ultra double secure secret spot. If you come here, I'll take you there. Just don't tell El Marco or George where it was. <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">

Now you're getting into an area I have little experience or knowledge of. I haven't used a lot of different guns so I can't say which is the most accurate setup.
Besides getting to spend time diving with Daryl, what I liked about Wongs was the semi enclosed track which helps eliminate shaft wobble, or at least in theory. But that's probably a non factor with the way I set my 55 up. As I mentioned, I use 14s, 26 - 28" Dan Bands. Jake uses 24 - 26 16s. But the prick shoots more fish than I do now. <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">

Quote from Dude george

hank and Marco, rather than derail the other important thread I thought the discussion could proceed here.
FAD fishing for pelagics is very different from open water drifting in deep clear water, stalking a fish with no point of reference with 100ft visibility does a number on the brain till you get used to it. I have seen experience shooters trying 50ft shots on wahoo [emoji1]
The type of fish makes very little difference on power in the deep clear blue to me(more is better) fish see you much clearer and are less curious, it's not about the one you tempt in close, it's about making a kill on a smart fish that stays out of close range. I want to shoot as much fish as possible not just wait for the perfect opportunity, or a better way to say it is capitalize on all opportunities that present themselves.
Reef is completely different in terms of power needs, with so many factors coming into play.

I understand about the distance thing. This is why "don't shoot until you see the whites of his eye" was told to me regarding wahoo.

But, I have to say that the 40 lb plus fish that I've shot on the reef appeared to me to be about 20-30ish. Two of those were over 50. It's also deceiving. I've shot a few big cubera with the bottom far below. Hard to gauge the size of the fish then too.

But again, I realize there is a need for power to get distance. I just don't see the advantage of trying to get a lot of power out of a small gun and sacrificing accuracy, especially on a fish that tears off as easily as the mackerels.

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How much power does one need? As much as one can get away with in the blue [emoji4] ...On a reef? Not as much, so different Hank.

Ok, I can see the need for longer shots. I remember Daryl telling me, don't shoot at an ono until you can see its eyes. Meaning many shoot shots that are too far because it's deceiving in blue water with no reference points,
This is why I use my 2x4 lunker of a Super Magnum for my limited wahoo attempts. I can put four 16 mm bands on it but it has the weight to absorb lot of recoil. Because accuracy seems like a huge factor on the long, skinny wahoo who never sit still. And although I don't use that gun of mine much, I have rarely missed with it. Smooth as butter but still has the power.

I would much prefer using that rather than trying to power up one of my 55 hybrids.

Quote from makoa

For example, I found I could put a 17.5-18.0mm band on my roller at 320-350% stretch and have a gun powerful enough to make open water shots on bigger fish while using a gun that is shorter and more desirable on the reef, in caves, ledges etc than my longer guns rigged with 2-3 16mm bands.

One thing I'm gathering from this thread is that one man's idea of "power" in a gun is different from another's.

When I got my DWong 55 hybrid, Daryl had put two bands, 24" and 26", normal 14 mm (not small ID Dan Bands) bands on it. I guess he thinks I'm a feeble old fart. I brought it back and one of the first five or so fish I shot with it was a 43 lb cubera.
It was a bit of a long shot, (two wraps of line extended) and it still penetrated through the body and out the gill plate, opening the flopper. You can see the entry and exit points in the pictures. I was lying on a ledge above the fish who was facing at about a 30 degree angle away from me.
I suppose you could use a bit more power if a wahoo was swimming away from you in open water, but a cubera has thick skin and it penetrated the gill on the way out. How much power does one need?
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When you reduced the 115 band stretch by 38.5 you conceded that there are 4 bands instead of two. Think about it.

Uhhhhh....well.....maybe.....uhhhh....and then?.....yep. I think I got it. Four bands would take longer to load, right? <img src= " height="23" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x">

But seriously, I tried to understand the equations but didn't quite get it......ok....I was completely f**kn' lost.
But I think the greatest yet to come innovation in speargun function would be a band that actually slowly increases speed after you pull the trigger to eliminate the jolt recoil that we deal with now. I simply under power my gun....at least by Fricken Jake's standards. But I like that feel.

But....as much as I laid in bed last night trying to think how the band could start soft and end pulling hard....I don't think it can be done.

So, DA-LS x 3N=FA

DA = dumbass
LS = lack of sleep (I flew in from Hawaii last night)
3N = three nights
FA = f**k all... As you can see, I flunked algebra......

That's a serious crab. It looks like it could take your hand off.

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Guess what I got in the mail this morning? :yay: Thank you Dan, my order was perfect (as usual) :toast2:
Chase and Canis---thank you for doing the math. I appreciate your time and efforts.
I went to 3--14mm, small ID short bands cause I am old and weak and wanted a band setup that I could easily load all day that would take down fish at the end of my 2 wrap shooting line. My 7mmX147cm spears hit the end of the 2 wrap so fast that Ive had to switch to Speardiver reels that have bigger axels.

hau saying--"fish r gonna die"

The small ID, 14 mm bands aren't much easier to cock than the same length 16 mm. Two of my sons can't cock a Wong 55 hybrid using 25 and 27" 14 mm "Dan Bands" with a 3.5 inch wishbone. <img src= " height="23" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x">
If you do the math, they have almost as much rubber to stretch as a large ID 16mm.

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82 up, full 1.5 standard neoprene with lycra hood
81 to 79 or so, full SN 1.5 2 piece with hood
78-77, 3mm open cell hooded top, 1.5 pants
Below 77, full two piece open cell 3mm with hood

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I'm in Hawaii (again) and will be back on Thursday. PM me your cell number. I live at Paradise Shrimp Farm on the Coastal Road. About 6 miles in on the south end. You can't miss the place. I'd be happy to hook up.