Langosta carpet. Did you ever see them on the move? I did in Bahamas Atlantis aquarium. They move in single file touching each others butts with their antennae.
Posts by Dan
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I suspect it's like the difference between Rob Allen float line and any polypropelene clothes line... none.
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What's a marine bungee?
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Alan, That right there is the defining principle of spearbroad.
Rolo, I saw your "What happened to the pelaj thread?" thread, way to stick to Grogan. As we all know he's a conniving POS so there's no need to prove what he's doing. But for fun I looked into SpearingFish posting history. He has been on spearbroad for a while and his style and location is consistent. He has signed his name, Eugene Tanaka, and made references to diving with members of the board. His interest in Poker has also been consistent and is evident with various results from a google search for his name and the word poker http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:6XnRW_RLCB0J:www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result13639.htm+%22Eugene+Tanaka%22+poker&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
The guy is for real and simply stated his opinion although it's obvious he's partial to Sumora and Rabitech. If he did delete his own thread I'm sure he was pressured into it by Grogan directly or through a third party. A simple pm to him could clear that up but why bother since it's been done before.
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I face the same issues. I have to say though that I only confronted these issues for the first time and continuously here in the US. I never even heard of other "moral/ethical standards" until I came here. I think that starting to spearfish in a place like Cuba one acquires a pretty much standard and consistent (throughout that geographical location) outlook which is based on the reality of the place not some invented ideals. This is why I prefer diving with my Cuban crew.
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This morning I had this gem of an email waiting for me. Looks like Larry Carter is definitely spearbroad material.
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Jesus what a jerk!!!!!!!! I devote hundreds of hours to our sport...who are you?? what do you do for the sport??? I am up to my ears in bids for National Competitions , running probably the largest Spearfishing club in the world, and doing what I do for the IUSA which by the way is issuing World Records to about fifty divers a year who would otherwise not have them.....and I have some idiot tell me to give him a clarification now!!!!!!!!!!!! as towhy we wont accept his big time record for shooting a cow??? Are you fucking kidding me ??????
Black Seabass are not illegal to shoot in Mexico, Goliath grouper are not illegal to shoot in Mexico...Do we accept them as records NO!! The Nassau Grouper is illegal to shoot in the MAJORITY of the world... Do we want to be known as encouraging divers to shoot these fish??? We don't accept them because we think its the responsible thing to do...especially with the conservation movement that is taking place today (in case your head is up your ass and you haven't noticed)...Australia, California, and number of other areas are under CONSTANT attack with closures or no take zones putting Spearfishing out of "business".... The reason being because idiots cant police themselves... people are outraged about dive meets (fish slaughter) some people are outraged with the shooting of the "cows" in the sea...grouper... Which the "good guys" (SCUBA people) hand feed and think of them as pets or family friends. I get constant letters from enraged people telling me about the nasty spearos who shot the pet local grouper "Freddy". If you cant figured it out yourself I cant help...Maybe it would help if you opened your eyes...
Please introduce yourself if we ever come across each other... Any emails I see will be automatically erased...Thanks for your input and fucked up threats...
Larry Carter
President IUSA------ End of email.
IMO based on my exchange with its president this organization, the IUSC, is a BS organization. FYI such an organization is completely dependent on recognition by the people who choose to accept it as their governing body. In and of itself it has no official power. I'm familiar with this concept for years from my experiences in the dog world and organizations such as the AKC (American Kennel Club). In the dog world it's all about money, registration and other paperwork fees. I don't know how much money is in the spearfishing biz so I'm not implying these guys get rich off of it. But tactlessness is close to omnipotence so I think I understand the mentality of this individual. In any case I would never register a record with them in the future if it ever came up. I'd just as well start a new organization. IUSC stands for International Underwater Spearfishing Association. Being American based and putting a species that is legal to spear in another country on the ineligible list makes them hardly "International" IMO.
In the end I really don't give a shit as I'm not after records but it was an interesting experience to find out about these guys. It's curious that on one hand they cry about closures and limitations on spearfishing while on the other hand they promote the same competitions and records that put spearfishing in the public eye and make it subject to criticism by people who otherwise wouldn't even be aware of it. Sounds like hypocrisy to me or at the least ignorance, very grogan like.
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I just solved a little problem that I wanted to share with you guys. It bugged me that after making a vote I could no longer see who voted for what, this has also happened to me on SB before. I made the poll public to begin with so I knew the results should be available to everybody. After searching for an hour I found the info; all you have to do is click on the number to the right of the poll bars and you can see who voted.
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I exchanged a couple of emails with Larry Carter of IUSA regarding why the Nassau grouper is not listed. Here's our exchange starting from the bottom with the last one an email from me on the top.
The question of the Nassau grouper is being discussed in our forum. I wasn’t implying that you owe me an explanation, we were just curious. I in particular am not a record chaser, but if “Because we want to...” is the line of reasoning you apply when making spearfishing related decisions then I choose to believe the IUSA does not represent well my interests as a spearfisher and will make my views heard whenever possible.
Dan
From: Larry Carter [mailto:lspearo26@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:33 AM
To: Dan
Subject: Re: Nassau grouperA quick clarification??? Because we want to... [INDENT] ----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: lspearo26@msn.com
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: Nassau grouperHello LC
The Nassau grouper is perfectly legal to spear in the Bahamas. Why would you make it ineligible then?
I'd appreciate a quick clarification.
Thanks,
DanFrom: Larry Carter [mailto:lspearo26@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:20 AM
To: Dan
Subject: Re: Nassau grouper[INDENT] DanWe don't have a Nassau because no one has ever
submitted one. That said, it is a protected
species in the US and some other parts of the
Caribbean. We are putting it on our ineligible list.Thanks for reminding me..LC
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: lspearo26@msn.com
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 9.04 AM
Subject: Nassau grouperHello,
Is there a particular reason why you don't have Nassau grouper in your records?
Thanks,
Dan
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How can you say that the fish is the shooter's if at the moment of your interjection the fish is lost? He would never be able to get it back on his own. If you choose to say "I can't do this right now, I'm not equalizing properly and overall I'm not in a condition to retrieve anything." It's over for the fish and shaft. It belongs to the next person who happens on that spot and finds it. In this case you save the shaft, a 50 - $60 favor, and keep the fish.
It ties in to some of the discussions I've seen on lost and found guns. It's funny to me, I believe finders keepers. You can offer a reward and hope for the best but if they want to keep it that's it. The law sees it that way too, something about maritime salvage law. Like I said before the exception is if it's a gun belonging to someone you know and have a good relationship with. If someone found my gun and I found out through a third person that knows us both, I would never insinuate to this third person that his friend should give me the gun back.
Hey Davie, do you remember our Russian dickhead friend, the safety nazi? On my first outing with him he finds this anchor lodged in a rock in like 45fsw. Of course he can't get to it so when I get to the boat he tells me about it in a matter of fact way that it's there for me to recuperate. I jump back in the water and swim over to the spot, about 50 yards from the boat, find the anchor and swim it up. I tried to hail the boat but do you think he was paying attention? I reasoned it's easier for me to swim to the boat than to try and get his attention with the weight of the anchor dragging me down. It wasn't easy swimming with the anchor if anyone has done it before. When I got to the boat and gasped out "grab the anchor" he was looking at me with amazement. He said "I didn't expect that from you." and I said "It was easier than trying to get your attention." I left him the anchor but I've always regretted it. Especially considering what a dickhead he turned out to be. So to avoid regrets I believe in keeping things fair in the first place. You shoot fish, you get fish, you have fish... you don't get fish, you don't have fish.
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its a personal choice if the shooter decides to give his buddy the pescado great, if he doesn't thats ok too
Why is it the shooters choice on what to do with the fish? He's not in possession of the fish, what gives him the absolute right to decide as opposed to abiding by the "right thing to do" in that situation?
We're dealing here with an unspoken contract and there are expectations on each side. These expectations are based on the ethical "what's right" of each individual. If the shooter does not subscribe to the same ethical understanding does this mean that even on this one occasion the person who assisted should come out the loser with the only reimbursement being the knowledge to not waste his time helping the shooter in the future?
Without further ado I will state my take on it. In this situation I'm in possession of the fish. I can brain it, gut it, put it in the cooler and make ceviche out of it right there. If I choose to give the fish to diver A so he can "do the right thing" it would be babying him. I do this with my good friends or people I deem deserving in one way or another. As it happens I end up diving with a different spectrum of people some of which do not deserve babying IMO. So my choice would be #2 with #4 being a mitigating clause.
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its up to the shooter to do whats right after he has the fish
What is "what's right" in this case?
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I'm curious why you don't like cable?
Like I said it has to be big enough to move around the tab but I think you're using a dog house. Close range it probably doesn't make a difference anyways and should be fine.
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Found it. Good idea BTW but it depends how much drag it will put on the shaft as I've never actually had one in my hand. They're usually referred to as an escape proof snaps so you should be able to find other sources for it. Just cut off the swivel or source it by itself. Here are a couple of places that carries them:
http://www.meltontackle.com/ca…duct.asp?product_id=10638
http://www.fishermansheadquarters.com/tt_swivels_momoi.htm
On second thought I don't think this will work well. The loop has to be of ideal size to be able to move freely around the tab or dog house. The easier solution is just to carry along a kit of mono, crimps and crimper.
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I know of something like what you're looking for and I'll find it in a moment. But first let me say that a low vis or hole gun is usually much smaller than a universal gun and as such two wraps of line around it will already make for a significantly shorter line.
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I've been following the Pelaj thread. It's interesting that at this point it went a little beyond drama. Grogan is demanding that one of the members who said something negative about pelaj identify himself to him privately with a drivers license. It's obvious the grogan has stakes in this as he's providing an advertising venue for pelaj. I say this without knowing any specific detail about how much financial interest there is. I don't have much sympathy for pelaj simply due to their prices and I think they must be kicking themselves in the head for choosing to go with spearbroad. They obviously were ignorant as to how things go on spearbroad and who they're dealing with. In this particular case as far as bad reviews of their product looks like where there's smoke there's fire. It's funny to me to think that the grogan probably never loaded or fired a pipe gun.
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Suppose you're part of a boat crew and one of the divers, lets call him diver A, an experienced diver but who's not familiar with the spot goes off in the wrong direction. You yell to the boat driver to let diver A know that the spot is where you are at. When diver A makes his way over to you he tries to convince you that the spot is where he was previously. You welcome him to continue where he was and say that you are continuing where you are. He then decides to tag along with you. At one point you shoot a fish out of a school and leave it down there on the shaft so a second shot can be taken on one of his companions by diver A. Diver A is not around but finally appears and notices you have a fish on, with urgency you point down and make a shooting signal with your hand. He dives and shoots a fish in the 14lb range. You then busy yourself with retrieving your fish and stringing it during which time the current moves you away from diver A. When you finish stringing the fish you look around for diver A and see him maybe 50 yards away waving and calling.
You swim over against the current and upon arrival are told by diver A that the fish has entangled itself in the bottom structure and he can't retrieve it, on that particular day diver A was not performing optimally. At this point you make an assessment dive and realize that you can't compensate in your right ear and therefore can't descend. You inform diver A of this and are told to take your time. After repeated hawking, nose blowing and attempted equalization you finally feel that you can attempt the recovery.
Bear in mind that diver A is using a reel which you really despise, and is using clear mono shooting line in the 200lb range about which he was told that it's too light and not very visible. Visibility is poor to the point you can barely make out the shadow of the structure from the surface.
You make an exploratory dive still not fully oxygenated and see the fish tangled on the bottom with a nurse shark trying to eat it. The sense of urgency doubles as you head up and try to breath up properly this time. Because of poor visibility you can't position yourself directly over the fish since you can't see it and must take the long way down along the reel line which he's holding, this increases descent time and decreases your bottom time. When you get there again you do your best to follow the nearly invisible shooting line going in and out of holes and under ledges till you finally get to the fish. The shaft is nowhere to be seen. You grab the fish, nurse shark gone, and pull on it a little to see where the shooting line is. To your surprise you feel the line pop and the fish is free of it. No other thing to do but head up at this time. You brain the fish at the surface and hand it over to diver A who then starts reeling in the line. With alarm you stop diver A from bringing up the line for fear of losing the shaft and explain the situation to him.
On your third dive you follow the line down the same way dreading the maze of shooting line at the bottom. On the bottom the shaft is nowhere to be seen so you pull on the shooting line slightly to see in which direction it could possibly be. Suddenly you're looking at the end of he shooting line in your hand. You think "f*ck" because with this viz there's very little chance of seeing that spot again. Taking one last scanning look around you mark what looks like it could be a small cloud of sand that was thrown up after a struggle. Quickly the thought runs through your mind that it's unlikely that the sand still hasn't settled from picking up the fish and that you're at the end of your air. You realize that this is the last chance of getting anywhere near that spot and push for the little cloud of sand. When you get there you make a quick deduction at which of the closest holes to look and then you notice about a foot of shaft sticking out. Hoping that the flopper is not engaged in the rock you grab the shaft and pull it out. On the surface you present the shaft to diver A who gives you a thumbs up.
Diver A was able to rig his gun again and continue diving for the rest of the day.
The question then arises; who gets the fish?
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Yeah, when the fish sags in the middle from its own weight it's a piglet. Good representative fish pic for the PR forum.
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Welcome Emil
Hope to see some of your great stories here.I feel like the digital taxidermist LOL I do love to see the before and after pics. I tried to make the fish pop on your pic, I hope it doesn't look too photoshopped. If it does it's partly due to there not being any fingers or anything else for that matter in front or beside the fish to give proper perspective. Taking good pics is a whole other aspect of what we do. For the pics to come out good there has to be some cooperation between the photographer and the subject. Too often the guys are impatient for having pictures taken properly but in the end we all like it when they turn out good.
