For sure, I remember last winter was around 67.
Posts by Chase
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Makoa how's the range of your 110 roller compared to when it was 140 standard? I've read that one of the benefits of the shorter roller is not only power, but supposedly the range as well.
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On a side note what I really want more than anything is a vest with a beavertail, I might buy a speardiver vest and use the remnants from an old top I have to make one. That plus some 3mm shorts would be my personal ideal summer wear. Most people want lycra cover but I don't.
Ive been using the speardiver open cell 3mm vest during the warmer months with great results. Idk about you, but my core gets cold easy. With the vest on I can dive all day spring - fall until the water drop below 80 degrees.
Most people wouldn't think that 77` is cold but thats what my watch has been reading as far as temperature this winter and it still feels chilly sometimes even with a good 3mm suit. A few of my dive buddies still get cold with their 3mm suit and hood. I guess from spending hours in the water the chill creeps up on you.
Chase
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From your image I take it that for you the fact that the roller has one rubber on one side and another on the other side that makes it equivalent to a double. If that case, a single band euro gun is also a double, as it has one rubber on one side and another on the other side. If you look at a roller gun, it is just a standard single euro with longer rubbers.
I think he is referring to the fact that the roller has the rubber running under the gun and then again on top of the gun as well. That would be the logic in comparing it to a double banded gun. I don't see a fair comparison in regards to a single banded euro and a single banded roller. MJK used a rob allen roller, single banded, and the shaft passed all of the way through the YF Tuna, which weighed over a hundred pounds. Just the mass of that fish would eliminate the comparison to a single banded euro because I do not think that would have been possible had he used one. It would've stuck the fish no doubt, but certainly wouldn't have passed completely through the fish putting the fish on the shooting line.
Just my .02,
Chase
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3mm 77 degrees and up. I have under 10% body fat so I think that's a factor to my ability to adapt to cold. Above 82 degree I use my rash guard suit combo with the vest.
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I respect your opinion Xan. I know you have credentials to back up your theories. I was simply saying that most wood gun builders that I talked to particularly @ the expo said the shaft leaves the gun rather slowly, so they put on an extra circular band to help accelerate the shaft from the gun to increase velocity. A standard roller gun with one band as Dan said is "waiting for the shaft to leave the gun"...
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And back to the original topic...
If makoa' s setup and is so great with the 3 x 16mm bands then why does he enjoy the single banded roller better? Because it has less recoil and more accuracy.. which boils down to his current rig he has may be over powered for him, whether anyone will admit that, it is the truth and you cannot argue that. If his setup was superior he wouldn't want to change it, period.
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Like I've been saying, what long shots on what tough fish? You act like south east Florida is easy to fish. I'd call you a liar if you were. South Florida is getting closer to Hawaii in the sense of less fish and more pressure.. which means it requires more skill. I dive more often than most people, and I don't get too many instances of schools of fish like you may see on YouTube or vimeo. So don't jump in on a conversation when you don't know where I'm coming from... my original argument holds the same, what reef fish requires 3 x 16mm bands? Get your skills up and pop him accurately with 2 x 16mm which is plenty for ANY reef fish..
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When would you need 2 bands for barely legal grovers bud? I think you are getting ahead of yourself. I've seen videos of guys shooting marlin with single banded rail guns... What reef fish requires 3 x 16mm bands that you can legally shoot? You sound ridiculous coming out of left field like this....
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For south Florida, November - March 3mm open cell full suit.
April - October rash guard w/ 3mm open cell vest.
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Xan,
I disagree on the roller sending the shaft with higher velocity to the point that gun builders like koah who make rollers now are adding an additional standard circular band to increase acceleration because on rollers he shaft is actually leaving the gun slower..
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Makoa,
But if you like your current setup with the power that 3 x 16mm gives do you think one 16mm on a roller will prove its equal?
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And I guarantee that Daryl Wong has more means than anyone on this website to pool test his guns for the optimum setup..
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Nobody is the "all knowing" George. Someone with no experience with a lot of common sense might learn you something every now and then... I don't have the track record you guys do nor the pool to test shoot. But I do dive 3-4 Times a week when most on this website dive once a month if they're lucky. And my first year of diving probably equals most 4 year once a month divers...
It can only be.common sense from anyone even without dive experience that makoa has over power his hybrid gun, which is mostly a CF barrel with a wood butt and 1/3 an enclosed track by equipping 3 x 16mm bands.... That's a lot for even a ballasted and refined gun like your koah. Why do you think Daryl Wong uses 14mm bands on his hybrids instead of 16's..... he must not know shit though I guess.. shame on Daryl(joking Daryl Wong).....:thumbsup2:
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The softer the foot pockets you get a mushy feeling with not much response.. That's why you must have balance. Most of us live in Florida, no current? You must be high... for Dan to stop selling them because of broken blades for lack of support is good enough for me. I'm just glad that he's honest. Unlike most dive shops who will sell you dog shit to make a buck because Times are tight... if they work for you great! Don't take it personal because he no longer sells an inferior product. Ride yours until the wheels fall off. But you can't blame someone for discontinuing to sell something because he ends up getting a lot of returns which means money down the drain. It's common sense.
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So what about makoa's over powered gun? Like you said, properly ballasted and refined. If his had these traits he wouldn't be trying to switch it up. I think for his gun which is CF and a little wood with a part of an enclosed track that 3 x 16mm is way to much. Your fatback is way beefier than his little hybrid. Apple's to oranges..
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I think the foot pockets are more important than the blade. You can have the best blades, but if your foot pockets are too soft in the wrong spots you're losing energy transferred...
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I respect your opinion and I hope you know that, but I doubt Daryl Wong makes shit guns George.
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You can't honestly say 3 x 16mm bands is nice to shoot. And that's still too much power. What can your fatback kill on the reef that your koah euro with 2 x 16mm can't. 2 x 14mm can handle most anything on the reef.. 2 x 16 is perfect imo. To each his own though, I hope I see Moby on the reef one day :laughing:
