XXX Campto. Ind. Pescasub CMAS Syros Island Greece 2016

    A INCONSISTENT WITH WORLD IRRESPONSIBLE REGULATION
    Friends, this World Cup has been a real nonsense, is a long story and many things to say. It has been a form of fishing that is much closer to the limit Apnea competitions that spearfishing. Do not understand a spearfishing in which the athlete is more than 4 hours on the boat and less than one in the water, there have been several cases of accidents decompressive type, sambas and syncope, fortunately we have not had to regret any misfortune but if some athletes continue today admitted to the hospital, I do not understand how the leaders of CMAS managing spearfishing are so incapable and irresponsible to authorize and support a competition in which you had to fish between 40 and 60 m to catch some fish.
    It has also banned the flashlight, (this has resulted in traps) tell me how to fish a hole more than 50m and dust that produce this type of fish (Haddock, Meros etc.) without flashlight.
    Another standard devised by these "wise men" has been that the athlete had to raise the pendulum, we all know that this action requires great effort by the angler and therefore multiplies and facilitates decompression accident.
    I think these "enlightened sages" awarded the "organization" of these competitions, where they will travel and to eat instead of ...........
    Practically almost half of the participating nations have fished less than one fish per athlete in two days of 5 h Total 10 h.
    As for the SPANISH team, I mean we are proud and very pleased how they have worked and competed, I want publicamete congratulate the whole team as personally as I have done this time and for various reasons have not gone right things, but we must rise with more strength and overcome it.
    For our part if tomorrow we had to redo the selection SPANISH this would be with the same owners who have competed and reserves.
    Now, once spent all, the most important thing is that all athletes who have suffered an accident or injury as quickly as possible is restored.
    Greetings to all!!!


    Marino Ferrer


    comite nacional pescasubmarina


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    UN MUNDIAL INCOHERENTE CON UN REGLAMENTO IRRESPONSABLE
    Amigos , este Mundial ha sido un auténtico despropósito , es muy largo de contar y muchas cosas que decir . Ha sido una forma de pesca que está muchísimo más cerca de las competiciones de Apnea al limite que de la Pesca Submarina . No entiendo una pesca submarina en la que el deportista esta más de 4 horas encima de la barca y menos de una en el agua , se han dado varios casos de accidentes de tipo descompresivo , sambas y sincopes , afortunadamente no hemos tenido que lamentar ninguna desgracia , pero si que algunos atletas siguen hoy ingresados en el hospital, no entiendo como los dirigentes de CMAS que gestionan la pesca submarina sean tan incapaces e irresponsables al autorizar y apoyar una competición en la que se tenía que pescar entre 40 y 60 m para poder coger algún pez .
    También se ha prohibido la linterna , ( esto ha dado lugar a trampas ) dime como pescar un agujero a más de 50m y con el polvo que producen este tipo de peces ( Abadejos , Meros etc.) sin linterna .
    Otra norma ideada por estos " sabios " ha sido que el deportista tuviera que subir el péndulo, esta acción todos sabemos que requiere un gran esfuerzo por parte del pescador y por lo tanto multiplica y facilita el accidente descompresivo .
    Pienso que estos " sabios iluminados " conceden la "ORGANIZACIÓN" de estas competiciones, por donde van a viajar y a comer en lugar de ...........
    Prácticamente casi la mitad de las naciones participantes han pescado menos de un pez por deportista en dos jornadas de 5 h total 10 h.
    En cuanto al equipo ESPAÑOL, quiero decir que estamos orgullosos y muy satisfechos de como han trabajado y competido, quiero felicitar publicamete a todo el equipo ya que personalmente ya lo he hecho , esta vez y por circunstancias diversas no han salido bien las cosas , pero tenemos que levantarnos con más fuerza y superarlo .
    Por nuestra parte si mañana tuvieramos que hacer de nuevo la Selección ESPAÑOLA esta sería con los mismos titulares que han competido y sus reservas .
    Ahora, una vez pasado todo , lo más importante es que todos los deportistas que han sufrido algún accidente o lesión se restablezcan lo más rápido posible .


    ¡¡¡Saludos a todos!!!


    Marino Ferrer


    comité nacional pescasubmarina Español

    Crazy dangerous stuff that last competition... everyone was surprised when there were no fatalities.


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    A bad day at sea is better than a good day in the boatyard
    George Steele

    Quote from Marco

    The guy from Ciprus that won, was diving very close to 60 meters. That's close to 200 feet.


    Just crazy! :crazy:


    Madness is the word I would use.


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    A bad day at sea is better than a good day in the boatyard
    George Steele

    Thats crazy! Like Ramon says, more like a apnea competition. If they keep these regulations it is sadly just a matter of time before someone pays the ultimate price.

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    Practically almost half of the participating nations have fished less than one fish per athlete in two days of 5 h Total 10 h...


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    had to fish between 40 and 60 m to catch some fish.


    I'm native from the Riviera
    dove South of France, Corsica, Sicily, Italy..
    been spearfishing there for about two decades
    got my best captures in "reasonable" depth
    but it takes in a day there several hours tracking the fish...
    one hour in a day??

    It's almost impossible for us to send a team to compete equally with some of the other countries when an event is held like this. Our teams are selected by divers who have qualified by gaining points in spearfishing competitions, not in apnea events. For Australia to have sent a compeditive team to this event we would have had to ignore fishing skills & ability & just select our deepest divers. Yes, we have deep divers but they dont win the spearfishing competitions down here, so wont get selected. Hopefully CMAS plan for future events based upon spearfishing skills not just apnea.

    Hmm, I have never competed in spearfishing and probably wont. But I used to race sailboats a whole lot and the dilemma is sometimes the same, perhaps to less of an extent.


    Especially in the one design dinghies such as Laser or Finn the weight of the sailor plays quite a big role. As such, some guys have an advantage e.g. in predominantly light air if they are light. Sometimes big championships are placed in a location that are predominantly light or heavy winds. And some sailors will have the upper hand. Mind you, tactics and skills can even the playing field a bit and also it can blow at light wind locations. Also, our championship regattas are spread out over more days which evens the playing field a bit more.


    Same with the Tour De France or other cycling events. The location, the route, the terrain often have an influence on what type of rider who can win. Even the WC in cycling is like this. Sometimes the sprinters are favored, some times the climbers. Is it fair? I don't know. But you rarely hear people moan about it. They just do as well as they can and hope for a better chance next year.


    My point is, apart from the safety issue here, why get so worked up if just once in a while over the course of many, many years a championship is placed where deep divers are favored?
    Some of you even make it sound like this had nothing to do with hunting but only deep diving? Personally, I wouldn't know but after making it to the deep, you still need to find, stalk, ambush the fish, place your shot and land the fish, right? I personally think there is both hunting and apnea skills involved in deep spearing.
    There has been plenty of shallow reef tournaments over the years where people have pulled out huge, disgusting eels and dozens of tiny breams to win, no? That's surely a skill, too but just once in a while, I think it is OK to honor other skill sets. There was championships before this deep one and there will be many others after. Things will even themselves out and the deep divers may not win again for the next 5-10 years. Maybe in a few years, you'll drop divers miles in out bluewater looking for wahoo and whatnot - and then the reef guys will start complaining. Sports were never fair, could never satisfy everyone and oddly enough, we like them and the best guys on the day tend to win.


    So, apart from the safety issues here that needs to be figured out, give some credit to the winners and then go and prepare your team for next year or the year after. And perhaps praise your luck if you happen to live in a place where you don't have to dive deep to get fish;-)


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    I just re-read Ramon's scathing write-up. Sounds like a lot of issues at the venue. But my main point still stands. Once in a while, I would think a deep location is fine. Maybe not 60m and of course with proper safety and such.

    The organizing country sets the competition area. And they want to favor their athletes.


    A couple years ago it was in Portugal, where spearos had to dive in 3 feet of water with 15 feet waves! And it was won by a chilean...


    Pedro Carbonell form Spain won three world championships (Gijón 1996), (Tahití 2000), (Brazil 2002). Every place was totally different.


    Just my 2 cents...

    Marco Melis

    A bad day fishing is ALWAYS better than a good day at work.


    Like I said, most often, the best guy wins. (That is, the best guy on the day in those circumstances;-)).
    What I like about the big sailing championships are that we often had two races a day for 4-5 days sometimes with a rest day in-between. So, chances are we will experience more different conditions and the "risk" of a specialist winning it gets reduced and so does the impact of a bad race or a material failure.


    If spearfishing teams spend a lot of money to go to Lima, Peru, or Europe for a Championship I fail to understand why they only compete for two days? Yes, they have work and families to go home to and yes, organizers are probably unpaid. But that's exactly the same as in sailing and while our regular regattas are only a two-day weekend affair our WCs are much longer. If sailors can do it, so should spearos be able to.
    Three-four days of competition would also afford more options to hit different locations and mix and match the conditions, so the overall winner would the best over a wider range of conditions.


    BTW, congratulations to the awesome deep divers of Greece and Cyprus:)


    Try checking out some of the deep divers youtube channels, you'll see some real skills involved.
    I can recommend Anvar's channel, talk about a love for spearfishing:-)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd1FOcwrGM


    Manolis seems like a really nice guy, too:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKOan-b41g


    And I wanna be a cool as Dimitris Kollias [/URL]when I grow older:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAiPrfFhrSw&t=12s


    Sorry for taking focus away from how tragically flawed deep diving is, but Xmas is approaching, let's rejoice and reach out;-)

    Las competiciones intercontinentales y continentales esta subvencionadas al pescador por su país y ayudado por la marca que representa, lo que no se puede hacer una competición sin ninguna garantía de seguridad, los jueces pasando por alto algunas infracciones como un pescador griego que fue sancionado y expulsado, si es así no puede otro pescador participar el segundo día por el expulsado.
    Y varias cosas mas que allí sucedieron, si pescas a una profundidad de 60 metros necesitas mucha seguridad por si hay accidente de descompresión o embolia gaseosa, la única cámara hiperbática existente estaba en la capital Atenas.
    Los Españoles preferimos no arriesgar nuestras vidas, que son mas importantes que un trofeo.

    While I personally have a lot of respect for deep spearos, I agree that 60m is extreme. 30-40m is still very deep for spearing but more manageable for more spearos. It's always hard to have to set rules like these, but maybe you could say max 40m... I don't know. Again, in sailing we sometimes had races called off when the organizers felt it was too windy. We had trained more than most in in our class in strong winds to make up for being a light crew, so we often felt a bit "cheated" not to get the chance to go out and score some good points - the bigger guys even more so.


    Maybe CMAS or others could make a special 'deep championship' some day. Maybe for two-diver teams with one gun per team in the water at the time, so the buddy can only act as safety. But soon it will be like boxing with too many championships, so I still prefer a deep location for a proper WC once a while, though less extreme and better managed than what Ramon reports.

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