Posts by Oscar


    Marco - was the water cold? Can be in the 60's at this time of year and murky but I don't think I ever found 2 foot viz around Taboga. Did you dive the back side or along the side facing Tabogia? The Jewfish are easily found during the dry season (now) up to 700 plus pounds but too easy to spear - the smaller ones 60-80 pounds are good to eat. In dirty murky water you can hear the BIG BOOM when they take off. Did you hear any corvina croaking? I know the waters around Taboga like the back of my hand. There is a brain coral not far from the anchorage/beach that I ALWAYS could take 2-3 lobsters and another point that I could always find Corvina - hope that hadn't changed. Stay off my Spotzs! <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">

    The only butt extensions I like are on these Garafuna ladies....:)


    You obviously haven't been to Medelin or Cali Colombia. Great butt extensions - maybe the best in the world, or so I've been told <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">


    I don't dive much anymore but I can certainly talk with a certain amount of authority on what it was like in the ancient start of spear fishing in the late 40's early 50's. Our gear WAS primitive but boy o boy did we kill some big ass fish. Of course we had more fish than now and fish didn't really fear us BUT let me try to explain our gear.


    Most of us used the early French double or four banded French Arbolets. The bands were shit compared to today. Shafts were ALWAYS bent. They were very soft and we would normaly end up on shore or boat straightening out our shafts over our knees after practically every nice fish. We mostly used nylon parachute cord for shooting line. Many of us used a bright yellow nylon ski rope (only color available) tied to our guns with a Clorox bottle as a float. I tried the Italian Spring Spearguns when they first came out - heavy thick shafts and I couldn't load them underwater.


    Our guns all used metal wishbones and we have scars from when they snapped. Spear tips? Mostly standard double barbs which was normal in those early days. But, not sure, may have come from east or west cost - but one of our best spearos was in Panama working as a machinest (he was from Finland -Jon Bock). And he made slip tips for us (still have one of the originals somewhere).


    Wetsuits? Haha my first Free diveswetsuit was bought just 3 years ago (I did buy a one piece surf suit in 2000). Water in Panama would drop into the 60's and even upper 50's when the upwelling brought in the cold water from Humbolt current. We would jump in and shiver and tried to get a fish quickly to get the hell out of the water and warm up. The cold upwelling brought in cold nutrient rich water and some really great fish. Jewfish would be stacked like train cars, so many Red Snappers the ocean would turn red, giant Broomtaol Groupers, it was amazing. Lobsters would go lethargic in the cold water and I could catch 3-4 a dive. Brought them up in my swimsuit, under my arms - yes Spiny Lobsters (who said kids were smart another me).


    Jellyfish? Damn they hurt! Sea snakes - no problem, mouths too small to bite us. Men in Grey - mostly Bulls, Tigers, Dusky's and zillions of smaller black & white tip reef shars. If we dove without seeing a shark - it meant the water was really murky.


    Fish: not what I would do today for sure, but we killed jewfish up to 400 pounds, Big Sawfish, giant Pargos/Cuberas to 100 pounds. Groupers as long as we were, giant Snook, Amberjeack that would go 80 plus pounds. Not many Wahoo, Dorados as the Sharks mostly kept us Reef divers. A big no no today, but I shot Jewfish 600-700 pounds (no never landed one that size), once speared an 18 foot Sawfish trying to win the biggest fish pool (no didn't land that one - in fact he took everything including an 80 got ski rope and two Clorox bottles (damn near cut me too).


    When I needed money for a date - easy, go catch 50 plus pounds of lobster to sell. Amador Causeway along the Pacific entrance to the Canal was my "bank.". Corvina, snook and lots of lobsters for the picking but almost always in dirty murky water (and yes lots of sharks). We would dive for lobsters during the day and fish for sharks same place at night.


    We lost a lot of gear. Shafts, guns, ski ropes, but we never lost a spearo but boy we have some great Shark stories. Sadly, we seldom took photos. I have a few but nothing to show the take and size of fish we routinely took with our primitive gear.


    Masks - early ovals used for swimming pool then better French Ovals - wish I had kept a few. Fins? Ha ha, short ugly heavy fins. Hell, I used my "latest" fins - short heavy rubber Cressi full pockets (still have them) until my first long Omer plastics in 2000. Snorkels haven't changed much simple J's. Weight belts? Old surplus army canvas belts with whatever we could add to them - we did make our own weights eventually with molds and molten lead.


    This was before long lines killed all the sharks and so many of our fishery. We were a small band, probably only 12 speros in the early days growing into the 50's with more U.S. military guys joining us few local divers.


    But boy did we kill some fish :laughing

    Thank you Dan I should shut up. I think I'm home sick,,,,, and I should look back at my early posts for some humility :rolleyes:
    Furthermore I've never shot a roller gun or done much shooting with 3 bands


    Where are you now Steven?

    I already gave up on you barbarians(shaking head ) [emoji1]


    George - here you are the great hoo killing Dude. I promise not to say anything about you being Georgie Porgie in the Flower Araangement forum. <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin"> <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">

    Awww shit. I guess I have to cancel my roller gun order. It's for the better. My wife would kill me if I got another gun.
    Great info here. Thanks.


    Actually a Roller Gun might be good for hunting Pargos and Groupers holed up in your Reefs and still powerful enough for open water/long shots. You never know unless you try it Hank. Your wife will never know, do what I do, be home when it arrives and hide it with all the other guns. Besides she is busy making new Hanks and Miss Hanks to notice the gun pile got a little larger <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">


    Regardless - great to read various opinions done in a respectful manner. :)

    For whatever it may be worth (Probably not much) - but I bought the Moana's Hybrids in Pathos Footpockets brand new at a nice reduced cost based on strong recommendation from a good highly respected internationally recognized spearo.


    And they are GREAT for me. I really like them.. I can dive all day and they are easy on these old knees but when I need the power - they produce.


    To be honest - I may have gone with Dan's C-90's but the recommendation AND price led me to the Moana Hybrids in Pathos Foot pockets.


    Your mileage may vary.

    Dan has thrown the gauntlet or more like the old days (yes I was there) slap the face with a glove and throw it down <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">


    I have never used a Roller Gun BUT I spent a day spearfishing with a really good Italian Spearo who essentially did it for a living. He guided people (not me he was on a free day) and today is living on a yacht in the Red Sea "helping/guiding" some ultra rich guy. I mention all of this to indicate - this guy was GOOD and I was impressed at his fishing abilitities.


    He had two Roller Guns and spent some time before and after the day trip showing me his two guns and explaining to me HIS conversion from regular banded gun to Roller Banded Gun. He said, direct quote, he said "I get the SAME power with a shorter more manurable gun as I do with a regular banded gun that is much longer. I love how I can hunt caves & holes with shorter gun but still have the power and range for Blue Water Fish."


    Not MY experience but this seems to be what makes the Roller attractive to more and more folks. I have no intention of switching - I like KISS.

    Titty pink……hey…that would match George's wetsuit…..


    It wan't me (this time) <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">

    Sounds like 350% stretch for 51 inches (129cm).


    Chase - how do you figure band stretch by %?


    Givens are:


    Length of gun (obviously irrelevant)


    1/2 Band length


    1/2 Wishbone length


    Length of gun from middle of band slot to middle shaft fin


    Is there another measurement? Maybe from wishbone to shaft fin?


    How is the percentage of stretch figuered?


    I always made my replacement bands the same as the originals but I may be missing something.


    Thanks.

    All I know about all this conversation is that tomorrow will be my first day out spearfishing in PANAMA! :thumbup::)
    I was getting crazy!


    You can't get what you already had :S


    The weather globally has been pretty weird - Panama included. In a "normal" year it would be very dry with strong off shore trade winds bringing in upwelling from the Humbolt Current. This would mean cold murky nutrient rich water and lots of jewfish, Pargos, and groupers. This pattern used to start in late November until April or even May.


    Not this year.


    Reality is now warm clear water but lots of mid sized Pargos around (25-40 pounds) hanging out around 50-60 feet and lots of Bohala (AJ's) around as well.


    The fishery is just now recovering from the long lines - take conservancy - you could fill your boat but hopefully limit to what you can eat (trying to save for generations to come).

    Any color combination is possible for example: blue outside amber inside, blue outside black inside, solid blue etc. The more one or two color combinations seem to be popular the more likely it is I'll start offering them. Color has no bearing on performance.


    I don't change bands very often since I don't get to dive often and bands are stored in controlled conditions BUT having different color bands would help in a small way - say blue bands are for my Wong, Amber for my Riffe, Green for my xxxx, just a simple way when I remove all bands from my guns. Or one color for short guns, another for mid size, and BLue for The big boys or some other break down.


    You would need a dozen or more colors for George following this train of thought including some PINK for his inner soul.. <img src= " height="23" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x">


    Interesting thread curious what others think.


    Thinking further - a HUGE advantage to Dan stocking one color - sales will always move the bands keeping them fresh. If Dan orders other colors, They might not move as well and get "stale. Was thinking Pink for George but better not say it.

    Hank, did u guys meet at Kaimuki Grill or at Daryl's? Update?


    Makoa


    BTW: IMHO usually the threat of lethal force while staring down the barrel of a gun is a pretty convincing deterrent. I also think that dealing with life after having killed someone would be a challenge, but living with myself after watching a friend or innocent bystander get killed or maimed while I stood idly by and did nothing for fear of statute law would be unbearable. Wolves and sheep...better to be the sheepdog and stop violence rather than watch evil and violence take its toll on the innocent. MHO


    Makos/Hank - has this gone to court yet? Hopefully justice has been handed out firmly.

    Just so everyone knows, I use Dans small id rubber on my guns, but if you want color then you have to shop elsewhere. I am thinking about getting some color in my life as well [emoji6] not that the color makes any difference other than to sooth my inner teenage heart [emoji1]


    Not sure you will be able to find PINK bands to sooth your inner self George. <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">


    On a more serious note: I think it is understandable to differentiate between this forum and the Shop/shopping/Da's store. Dan has great products and GREAT service but so does Neptontics. I've received great service from both Dan and Josh. Dan is still building hs inventory and there are things Dan doesn't carry that Josh can provide. Both are top notch providers.

    I agree with ^^^. George definitely doesn't need another gun :nono:


    ^^^^^^^^^^^. <img src= " class="smiley" srcset="https://spearfishing.world/forum/images/smilies/emojione/1f606@2x.png 2x" height="23" width="23" loading="eager" data-tooltip="biggrin" aria-label="biggrin">


    Money $$$$ sent Jon. Thanks again.


    Need my address for shipping?

    Great cause and great gun - thank you Jon.


    George does NOT need another gun - if he should somehow win - he said to send it to me. Buying tickets as soon as I get home. Hope this brings in lst of $$$ for the family.


    Great cause - thanks again.

    Saw it on instagram and spent the night looking for the original video online to post as an instructional video for my diving friends, I never let this happen by following some advice Don posted when I first started out in the blue, his recommendations and advice have kept me safe. Wish I could use this video to maybe make some new or old divers safer.
    I would not have let that happen to me, but if it did i would make a crap video because i would not waste air squealing like a baby, and my knife would have cut that line with my free hand without thought... Cray shit! I know this because once apon a time my genius ass got hooked by a trolling line, and i was being dragged backwards through the water...hahahahahahahah... boy did i cut that fishing line fast...lol... the fisherman is still pissed about losing his favourite lure!


    I am a float line/buoy person when after big fish in deep water and am always aware of the line. I use an old Riffe float line which is thick vynl (I think) and is easy to keep clear - but curious of what Dan's advice was George. Care for you or Dan to retell?