bluewater euro

    Stellar work Steve! I WANT ONE!!!!


    Your statement about both hands on the gun hit me...I find I prefer to shoot with one hand regardless of the gun. Balance is imperative to me because of this. I agree completely with your "dirty water" analysis. My prefered gun for shore diving in So Cal, was a 50" mid-handle hybrid.


    Like you said, to each his own..and yes location and species will dictate the gun as you and Matt have stated.

    Quote from metelin

    i think the gun will shoot better with 4 tight 15mm (cut to 350%) but mori is out of that rubber so i'm forced to use 4 5/16'' cut to 300%.


    And Mori wondered why I bought 150' of it from him last time I was there:D I love that stuff!:thumbsup2:

    below is a post from a thread on the sb, hopefully the weather will clear up and ryan will gives us another one.


    thanks for buying all of moris stash john any chance you parting with 50'?


    Ryfish
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    Re: New Bluewater gun EuroBlue
    Thanks for the nice comments!


    Well I couldn't take not shooting the gun with the bad weather this weekend so went to my buddies pool at his condo complex and gave it a trial.LOL


    The first thing I really likeed is that it was not that tough to load lot easier then I thought anyway. It is mostly technique and I have always used Euro guns so no problems there.


    The next thing I noticed is how well balanced in felt in the water! Steve did a great job and it felt "lighter" then I thought it would feel.


    The next was the swing test and although it is tougher to track then my 130 sea-sniper I could track it with one hand, and if I used my free hand on the butt it moved very nice. I can deff keep up with a larger Mahi. Way happy with this as I was a bit worried with the length. I think the shape makes a big difference, as it has nice rounded corners. The up and down movement was good also the balance makes a huge difference with that. Over all it moved A LOT better then I thought in the water.


    Ok now to the fun part shooting it.


    The pool was 50 feet long so I set the target (milk jug) about 10ft from the end hanging mid-water.


    I backed all the way to the opposite end of the pool and put my feet up on the edge of the pool. So the shot from the tip of the gun to the target was about 25ft and 35 ft to the wall. I had taken off the slip tip obv and put a some tape over the threads of the shaft.


    Any way I let out a breath sunk down to the bottom locked my wrist and elbow and took aim...... and shot.....and..... I didn't even see the shaft all I heard was the whack as it hit the opposite side of the pool! Dam. I looked at my buddy looked back at the target and noticed the line through the jug so I hit the jug and the shaft had gone through and hit the opposite side of the pool 35ft away. We just sat there a second. There was a little ding on the edge of the pool and it looked like the shaft hadn't dropped hardly at all by the ding. WOW


    I did notice a recoil but it wasn't much at all considering...... very manageable (I shot it one handed with my elbow and wrist locked). I inspected the shaft and it is ok. My buddy (RyanJ) wanted to take a shot and he hit the jug also. LOL. Needless to say we didn't fire it any more as we didn't want to mess up the shaft and/or his pool.


    Over all I couldn't be happier with the performance in the pool test. Thanks again Steve for making the biggest baddest Euro out there!
    Last edited by Ryfish; Yesterday at 11:54 PM.

    steve veros


    in loving memory of paolo

    Ryfish guy dreams about Wahoo. I just don't have the patience to sit out there in the blue for so long. I like diving DEEP and seeing action. Although shooting a big one on a reel is fun i bet.

    Quote from greekdiver

    Ryfish guy dreams about Wahoo. I just don't have the patience to sit out there in the blue for so long. I like diving DEEP and seeing action. Although shooting a big one on a reel is fun i bet.


    you guys in florida have such a variety of fish i'm really jelous. i have never dove there but they tell me wahoo can be found less than 10 miles from shore. most of the time we go 25 miles to hit an island for wsb or yt, although we can get fish like that shore diving you guys have way more variety.


    i do agree that for the most part bluewater is boring, i mean there could be hours of shear boredom capped by seconds of pure adrenaline rush. i did shoot a wahoo in kona a couple of years back less than 50 yards from shore and in about 20' of water with a 100cm euro and reel, it kicked my ass and finally tore off.:(

    steve veros


    in loving memory of paolo

    Unfortunately, Steve it was some time ago. I already sold 50' of it and have since, made several band sets. I will probably be looking to re-up my supply soon.


    I would really like to see and handle that gun in person. Again, great job!

    i'm just kidding john, mori should have a new batch in soon. i'm not making guns for sale anymore but if you're serious and depending how thing go over the winter for me we can work something out.

    steve veros


    in loving memory of paolo

    nice gun steve . how much flex did the stock have when 3 bands were loaded ? and what do you think is a acceptable amount of flex.?
    phil

    thanks phil. the gun has 4 bands and i don't think it had any. i don't have any really good pics of it with the bands loaded but here's what i do have. the top 2 are of the gun with 4 bands and the bottom is different gun of the exact same size with 3 bands. you tell us if there is any flex and what effect it has.

    It didn't even occur to me that a piece of wood of that size would flex with 3 16mm bands. Maybe if it was hollowed out and foam filled? 4 bands is out of my experience but I wouldn't expect it to either. That's why I love wood guns. In any case a moderate amount of flex IMO doesn't affect accuracy in the shooting range that I'm accustomed to. I think the flex issue is a mark of how well a gun is constructed more than anything else.

    Quote from metelin

    thanks phil. the gun has 4 bands and i don't think it had any. i don't have any really good pics of it with the bands loaded but here's what i do have. the top 2 are of the gun with 4 bands and the bottom is different gun of the exact same size with 3 bands. you tell us if there is any flex and what effect it has.


    i was just wondering , all the really big euros i have built have been carbon over wood .i know you have built a few so i was just wanting to know what your experience has been with a normal band slot on a all wood gun. i recently did a 72" euro with very small dimensions and 3 5/8" bands with a band elevator ,with the offset load from the elevator i had to do a lot of reinforcing layers to get the stiffness i wanted .a offset load (elevated bands) has a much higher flexing force than a loaded column (normal band slot)
    phil

    Quote from phil herranen

    nice gun steve . how much flex did the stock have when 3 bands were loaded ? and what do you think is a acceptable amount of flex.?
    phil


    Phil, I have seen ungrooved Hibiscus 6 foot Tahitian local guns flex up to 3/8 in the center when in the water 12 hrs and powered by 2 healthy 5/8 bands. :@:@
    But... it didn't mater to the expert waterman.;)... they still threaded 1/4 spring steels shafts through the eyes of Bonita at 15 feet of the tip. I have a early open track 6' barrel gun I built with a 1/8 downward bow the last 20''s. I cut the groove on my bridge port while the thin teak barrel had 3 5/8 300% elongation bands cocked to a 3'' rod seared in the mech. That gun was a 25' killer for several years before getting reshaped and fitted with a 72'' 6061 T6 foam filled grooved barrel. After a hr of pool time I could thread a 3'' target 22 feet from the tip. I think a skilled shooter can adapt to the differences if he spends enough pool or target time. All that matters is the hunter's marksmanship coupled with a tool he can harvest game with successfully time after time.
    I believe it's the Indian and the arrow: The tribes best archers will not take any deer on the far side of the river with out a swim, canoe ride or a Sharps 45/70.:D:D


    Love your fine guns Phil and Steve.:thumbsup2:


    Cheers, Don

    "Great mother ocean brought forth all life, it is my eternal home'' Don Berry from Blue Water Hunters.


    Spearfishing Store the freediving and spearfishing equipment specialists.

    Quote from metelin

    i'm just kidding john, mori should have a new batch in soon. i'm not making guns for sale anymore but if you're serious and depending how thing go over the winter for me we can work something out.


    Much appreciated Steve, I would love to have one of your guns and I don't think I could think of anything better than what you have built here.:toast:

    Steve,


    Do you glue epoxy tube together before attaching it to the gun? If so what do you use.


    If you just lay the two pieces of tube in the track and use epoxy to hold them together, how do you get them lined up perfectly and prevent epoxy from getting in the tube?


    Thanks,


    Lance

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