I can't tell you if the O-ring adds enough drag to amount to anything significant. But I can tell you from experience that after every fish shot it ends up on the shooting line, and you have to work it back down onto the shaft and to the front of the shaft. A PITA as far as I'm concerned.
Here's a pic of the flopper recess.
Why is the O ring needed. The forward motion of the shaft will push the flopper down into the groove, won't it? It shouldn't need a o ring to make it stay down.
I can't tell you if the O-ring adds enough drag to amount to anything significant. But I can tell you from experience that after every fish shot it ends up on the shooting line, and you have to work it back down onto the shaft and to the front of the shaft. A PITA as far as I'm concerned.
Ah, true.
I had one on my Salvimar Torsion 2 shaft. Also, it was for a long pneumatic that I used an extended loader on and even the lower handle of the extender would move the o-ring about and then the flopper would open and would need to be closed for loader to come off again. Such a hassle. Stopped using that shaft immediately.
Why is the O ring needed. The forward motion of the shaft will push the flopper down into the groove, won't it? It shouldn't need a o ring to make it stay down.
A spring in the groove is needed to make sure the flopper actually engages.
I don't think the water pressure would keep the flopper down but the question is whether the extra drag of the slightly opened flopper is more than the o-ring.
But their sales pitch is that it is fully embedded but then they happily leave out mentioning the o-ring, but without it, it wont be fully embedded...
At least one very old shaft I had, has that plate type flopper, new idea rediscovered. I believe it was French.
Cheers, Don
A spring in the groove is needed to make sure the flopper actually engages.
I don't think the water pressure would keep the flopper down but the question is whether the extra drag of the slightly opened flopper is more than the o-ring.
But their sales pitch is that it is fully embedded but then they happily leave out mentioning the o-ring, but without it, it wont be fully embedded...
I may be overlooking something here. But why would this flopper act any different than an external flopper, or conventional? The flopper on my shafts hangs down while swimming but when fired, it pins down against the shaft. After impact and passing through the fish, the sudden stop opens the flopper. Would this one be any different? And if so, why? We don't need an o ring on conventional floppers.
Again, sorry for my ignorance if I'm missing something here.
I may be overlooking something here. But why would this flopper act any different than an external flopper, or conventional? The flopper on my shafts hangs down while swimming but when fired, it pins down against the shaft. After impact and passing through the fish, the sudden stop opens the flopper. Would this one be any different? And if so, why? We don't need an o ring on conventional floppers.
Again, sorry for my ignorance if I'm missing something here.
It looks as if the Sigal shaft/flopper design eliminates any drag created by a traditional flopper. I think it would act as you said like a traditional flopper, and open up when forward motion ceases. But because of its reduced mass, and surface area it may not engage as readily as a traditional flopper, and without the spring to help engage the flopper, there would be an increased number of pull outs due to the floppers thin design not catching water, like a traditional cocave flopper. (It would close)
Also any slight bend or compression on the groove section would render the flopper useless pinning it to the shaft. Cool idea tho....for small fish....not in a rocky environment.....
DANThis rod is a folding knife is worthless, crossed fish, cut fish.
I'm not representing anyone, only report developments are useful, I find misplaced you use this issue to place yours.
You can upload a new topic for this purpose.
Thank you
Ramon
I think both designs are crap, as such they belong together nicely in one thread.
Advances in shaft design that would be of interest to us should focus on tougher inox steel, clean/strong/low profile wishbone anchoring points, universal fit rear notch, a strong low profile flopper and pin, all at a reasonable price. Not innovation for sake of innovation that creates more problems than it claims to solve.
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