Closures again

  • It's come to my attention that they're looking to ban a huge area south of Miami to spearfishing. I don't know all the details but that's not exactly what this thread is about. Someone who's familiar with the situation should start a thread to rally up the guys to go to the meeting and protest the closure. I was talking to the person who gave me the news, and considering the points that can be brought up in the meeting to fight agaist it. A major point is why should spearfishing be targeted; if there's going to be a closure it should be on the basis of making the area a sanctuary to protect specific species, and thus should affect all recreational fishing which spearfishing falls under. We can say this because we know they'll never close the area to hook and line fishing. I blurted without thinking "if anything they should ban scuba spearfishing". My friend said I shouldn't talk like that, not because he's a fan or supporter of scuba spearfishing, he's a dedicated freediver, but because there are a lot more of them and they fight against the constant attacks on spearfishing. I agreed for the moment because I've seen scuba spearfishermen be active in fighting against anti-spearfishing regulations. So I reason that I must be tolerant, emphasize tolerant because I really don't care for shooting fish on the hose, of scuba spearfishermen for the good of us all.


    Well today it occurred to me that whatever negative public opinion there is of spearfishing, it's most likely because of the very same scuba spearfishing in the first place. Freediving spearos are a very small group, and are barely visible. So whatever trouble we're always finding ourselves in is because of the scuba spearfishers who are in the public eye. The sight of a geared up scuba diver with a short range biller or JBL has always been disturbing to me. I can only assume that this is the first impression of spearishing most people get. The way I see it scuba spearfishers will keep fighting regulations for their own interest anyways, so I don't need to team up with them or pretend I support them. I wish for the day when the general public understands the difference between us and them. Freediving in itself imposes limitations which allow fish to be safe from a speardiver.


    Someone told me that in the days of Art Pinder spearfishing was known as a freediving activity. Since then scuba divers have become synonymous with spearfishing. I want to take spearfishing back. We should have our own flag too. Maybe something like this, a combination of the US dive flag with the international dive flag.


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  • I embrace sport fishing, but still struggle with acceptance of SCUBA spearing and always will. The US is one of the few country's in the world that permits it . Leave the tanks for exploration, photography and bubble rings.:rolleyes:


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  • That may be the case, but free diving spearos outnumber scuba spearos in Miami easily 10:1...Easily! When we fought this same fight the apathy among most was discouraging . Only FRA, with mostly scuba spears lent a hand in postponing the inevitable back in 2004 or so.

  • Where do you get the 10:1 statistic? I don't share your pessimism about it being inevitable. I have a little more free time now, and my kid is old enough to go with me so I will go the meeting. The forum can be used to rally support.

  • Where do you get the 10:1 statistic? I don't share your pessimism about it being inevitable. I have a little more free time now, and my kid is old enough to go with me so I will go the meeting. The forum can be used to rally support.


    Years of diving and speaking with local dive shop owners and observing divers at multiple boat ramps. Go to Black Point, Matheson Hammock or Homestead marina on a given Saturday and judge for yourself. I believe I may be underestimating with my figures. By far the greater pool of spearos in Miami are free diving, these number diminish as you travel further north. I can count on one hand the number of scuba spears I saw at docks in all my years of diving down there.

  • I don't know about those places as I've been too few times. All we see on the water going out of Haulover are scuba divers. It's a rare occasion we see parked boat with a dive flag, and divers on the surface.

  • I don't know about those places as I've been too few times. All we see on the water going out of Haulover are scuba divers. It's a rare occasion we see parked boat with a dive flag, and divers on the surface.


    You are changing the discussion. I distinguish between scuba divers and scuba diving spearfishing and my points reflect the later. Also, Haulover is on the north end of the county's waters, most of it's reef structures lie south.

  • I meant spearfishing on scuba. If you want ask Sergio, we always comment when we see those boats so I know he'll remember. It goes something like "isn't that about 30ft deep over there?" and we shake our heads. Again I don't know what it's like in the areas you mentioned. Seeing freedivers in our area is always a notable occasion. It's been a while for you here, you should come down soon and see for yourself. I'm finishing the new bunks on the trailer as we speak. All I have left to do is change the hubs, and then it's back to diving at least 2 times a week :yay:

  • rolo , the truth is i've seen scuba spearos almost everytime i go out here, and not just one boat. but the topic of this thread is the closures and i'm down to go wherever needs be to help.

  • More regulations don't mean a thing if they can't be enforced. Also the commercial fishing and fresh water dumping are the real concerns.

  • I went to a FWC meeting in Broward around november last year.


    They were very receptive to freedivers and even commended us and commented on the difficulty and danger.


    I think the key word was discrimination, they wanted nothing to do with it and believed that closure should apply to all methods of take. They even asked the secretary what reason spearfishing was singled out and it wasn't asnwered.



    Is this about the FWC meeting in key largo in November?

    Davie Peguero

  • I think so. This is the meeting that they failed to announce according to what I was told. If someone knows the specifics please post in another thread dedicated to organizing a response in the regulations section. This thread is just my rant.

  • You should have at least one person completely comited to it, or you will keep loosing grounds to spearfish.


    You should have very clear why they want to avoid spearfishing in those areas, ask again and again, normally they dont want the comercial presure of spearfishermen, but wont tell you because they dont want to give the impression that they are cutting jobs or ways of life.


    Every meeting or public hearing should be attended, this is easier said than done, its an all day thing, or even multiple days, and you will sit throu all the stuff that does not interest you, and you should talk to the scientist, an become familiar with the problems they face, so you understand and be fair to them , this is the only way they will be fair to you.


    last, and this part is a shame to us all, when the guys making al the work ask for help, and ask for numbers to back him up in the meeting,public hearings ect, you have to show up, it is very easy for them to shut down spearfishing, if there are not enough people backing it up.


    This is my personal opinion, but if a scuba spearo gets 3 fish in a day, and a freedivers gets 3 more fish, I dont see the diference at the end of the day, I do see it when a comercial gets 15-50 , and comes back the next day to do the same, then again , I agree with the fact that freediving have limits , and there is a depth natural reserve, were freedivers wont be able to go, and fish will be safe there.


    All in all, the bottom line is, that if they want to protect certain species, the only fishing art that can be selective, and wont have any bycatch is spearfishing, end of discucion, we can even target male or female hogfish if they want to protect the other, we can estimate sizes before fishing , and allow for a large margin as not to disturb smaller individuals, ect, ect.


    Go to this meetings, as a group, even if you want to make a statement as freedivers, talk about the good things about your art form.


    IF YOU DONT GO AT ALL, AND NO ONE IS THERE, DONT BE SURPRISED AT THE OUTCOME.


    And once they stablish a pattern, its the one they will follow for future laws.

  • Roberto is 100% correct. If you do not go there in person and voice your concerns, don't bitch about the outcome.


    Emailing, bitching online, ect..ect.. is useless. Show up to the meetings. Its that simple. It takes about a half day from you.

  • These meetings are generally just a formality required by law. The decision are almost always made in advance. Unfortunately the internet has provided a wealth of information to pro closure groups and fisheries managers regarding spearfishing. Good luck out there!

  • These meetings are generally just a formality required by law. The decision are almost always made in advance. Unfortunately the internet has provided a wealth of information to pro closure groups and fisheries managers regarding spearfishing. Good luck out there!


    I disagree at least in Florida. If you show up with enough numbers, you will be surprised. If you are the only one there, then yes, your voice wont be really heard.

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