Great post free vs. scuba

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i cant spennd more than a min on there its such a queenfest
its like a place to sport how big a tool you can be

Us So Cali boys don't see too much bubble butt divers any more. They read a few free dive mags and
transcend straight away into BIG Game freedivers ready and willing to tell you what gear and gun one must
have to hunt THE BIG BLUE. All after they jump on a floating kelp and shot at the baby yellowtail
hiding there.:rolleyes1::rolleyes1: In 5 min they are safely on the swim step saying I"m bad to the bone.
Ready for one of those big boys with my ''shoots like a lazer '' POS $150.00 gun.
Time for a night cap.....
Don

wtf!! dude this guy is a moron...how the f*ck is going to be more easy freediving than scuba..???...what kind of education he have?? wow 6th grade???

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wtf!! dude this guy is a moron...how the f*ck is going to be more easy freediving than scuba..???...what kind of education he have?? wow 6th grade???

He was being sarcastic.

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wtf!! dude this guy is a moron...how the f*ck is going to be more easy freediving than scuba..???...what kind of education he have?? wow 6th grade???

I think he is joking or being sarcastic.... he probably a skilled freediver F'ing with the bubble butt speros.
Cheers, Don

it is funny because every time this debate surfaces I think the same thing...I could freedive at birth..it is a natural, almost innate ability to hold our breath and dive. I would never take a sip of compressed air without thorough instruction and a computer to tell me when to stop, and probably a more experienced diver there too.

So while I agree that it is infinitely easier to SPEAR a fish when you can breathe underwater, I still think it is harder to scuba dive. Clearly this is only with regard to the initial learning, but I find it funny that no one talks about it.

I have a simple metaphor that I have always used for this debate. Guitar vs Piano
Anyone can press a piano key and make a note, just as anyone can take a breath and hold it while they dive (how deep is another matter). It is not as easy for someone to play one clean note on the guitar, it requires a little strength, some toughness (on your fingertip) and some instruction (both hands are needed, one to pick, one to fret the string).
So on the surface, the piano is the much simpler instrument, the EASIER instrument. BUT, once that initial learning is done and you can pick and fret a note, the guitar is SOOO much easier. it has a more limited range and a repeating set of notes. The Piano on the other hand is Mt Everest. encompassing almost the entire audible range of sound and only one way to make any given note.
I love all music, but listen to a virtuoso guitarist and a virtuoso pianist, both at the top of their game, i promise the pianist is doing more.

Ultimately I do play the guitar, and the bass and I make up for it by freediving

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i cant spennd more than a min on there its such a queenfest
its like a place to sport how big a tool you can be

you hit it right on the head:)

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it is funny because every time this debate surfaces I think the same thing...I could freedive at birth..it is a natural, almost innate ability to hold our breath and dive. I would never take a sip of compressed air without thorough instruction and a computer to tell me when to stop, and probably a more experienced diver there too.

So while I agree that it is infinitely easier to SPEAR a fish when you can breathe underwater, I still think it is harder to scuba dive. Clearly this is only with regard to the initial learning, but I find it funny that no one talks about it.

I have a simple metaphor that I have always used for this debate. Guitar vs Piano
Anyone can press a piano key and make a note, just as anyone can take a breath and hold it while they dive (how deep is another matter). It is not as easy for someone to play one clean note on the guitar, it requires a little strength, some toughness (on your fingertip) and some instruction (both hands are needed, one to pick, one to fret the string).
So on the surface, the piano is the much simpler instrument, the EASIER instrument. BUT, once that initial learning is done and you can pick and fret a note, the guitar is SOOO much easier. it has a more limited range and a repeating set of notes. The Piano on the other hand is Mt Everest. encompassing almost the entire audible range of sound and only one way to make any given note.
I love all music, but listen to a virtuoso guitarist and a virtuoso pianist, both at the top of their game, i promise the pianist is doing more.

Ultimately I do play the guitar, and the bass and I make up for it by freediving

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I'm fairly sure my opinions won't be popular, but here's my 2cents anyways:

I've always been curious about scuba diving & still think to try it one of these days. Not for spearfishing, but for my love of the ocean & a way to explore new facets of the underwater realm.

I love freediving for what it means to me. Though I sometimes have strong opinions against scuba spearing, I generally hold my tongue... because it reeks of elitism. I think of fishing snobs - bass fishermen who only catch & release, trout fishermen who think using anything other than a dry fly is blasphemy, etc.

Whatever my preconceived notions of scuba spearfishing, it's their right to enjoy the ocean in the way they see fit. While we (as freedivers) may view scuba spearfishing as "legal, but unethical"... we have to be cognizant that many special-interest groups view all spearfishing as "legal, but unethical." These special interest groups aim to ban ALL spearfishing. When we start criticizing a legal means of take, it becomes a dangerous slippery slope.

Not sure what my point is/was, just my first thoughts on the subject.

To confuse your metaphor even more - I've played the cello since I was 9... what does that mean? :laughing3:

it means you are a baller...I bet you're awesome

For the record, I enjoy scuba diving and did it a few years before I was certified in 81. I like caves and deep
crevices. I have hunted bugs deep on scuba but not fish. In french poly I dove many times with my wife.
Don

a time and a place

I have been considering getting a scuba cert for safety reasons. Fish recovery or god forbid a body recovery. Not really interested in pursuing fish. Its already like shooting fish in a barrel here in So CAl..

Mike

Fuzz, what is it about catch-and-release bass fishing that you find elitist or snobby? I don't really understand that.

I am indifferent about scuba spearing. I just respect the views of the culture in an area I'm in. If I lived in a place where it was looked down upon I would also do so. Just like I would only catch and release bass when I fished for them.

The argument to me on that post was not about scuba vs free. It was how it is ok for a scuba diver to blame freedivers for something stupid and how a shitstorm arises when a freediver says something bad about a scuba diver.

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Fuzz, what is it about catch-and-release bass fishing that you find elitist or snobby? I don't really understand that.

It's not catch-and-release bass fishing as a whole, just a bunch of the more "enthusiastic" proponents of it.
I'll give a very short version - ask if you have specific questions.

It's widely known that the overwhelming majority of bass fishermen are catch & release fishermen. I understand the rationale behind that - bass aren't the tastiest fish & handle C&R very well. However, once in a while, someone takes a couple home to eat. I've seen those people (who were 100% within legal limits) be yelled at, scolded, chastized, threatened, lectured, & treated like criminals.

I find this prevalent attitude EXTREMELY hypocritical for a sport (bass-fishing) that is predicated on tormenting fish for no other purpose than the fisherman's enjoyment. Their noble CnR mantra doesn't account for the fact that there are still bass dying from improper tankwell management, poor handling, & the occasional bad throat-hooking. Not to mention numerous injured fish... and anglers who target shallow bass in spring, catching them right off their spawning beds.

Personally, I find it more noble to go out & shoot fish destined for consumption... than to catch & release a bunch of fish just for shits & giggles. Nevertheless, I don't go around preaching to them that what they're doing is wrong (or any less right)... and would appreciate the same consideration from them. I've fished my whole life & still do. I CnR fish myself (though not as often as I once did). I have nothing against bass fishing. I do have something against condescending attitudes of those who get overly preachy on this subject material. Not all bass fishermen... not all CnR bass fishermen... not even all the fanatics who feel their way is the most virtuous... just the ones who try to force their point of view on others.

Relevant quote from a San Diego article:
"I think it's gotten out of hand when people who favor catch-and-release fishing become zealots and pass judgment on others who are fishing and observing laws and limits, but keeping fish." - Jim Brown, program manager for the San Diego City Lakes

very well said Fuzz, and nice citation too. I agree completely...

I remember one time when I caught a nice catfish from a neighbor's lake and I yelled across the yard, "I got one for the cooler".. damned if his neighbor didnt walk around his yard and into my buddy's to start in on us for taking the bass out of his lake...I shoved that cat in his face so fast i thought I might have slapped him with it he quickly swallowed his words and apologized, but for being wrong about the fish, not for overstepping his boundaries.....but I still couldn't believe he had the nerve to do that...

I totally agree with Fuzz. Well said.

Question: Aren't bass good to eat? In my country I ate peacock bass and was very good. I know it is a different species, but some sort related. It was like "lightly salted" snapper. White meat, flacky. It was very good.

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I totally agree with Fuzz. Well said.

Question: Aren't bass good to eat? In my country I ate peacock bass and was very good. I know it is a different species, but some sort related. It was like "lightly salted" snapper. White meat, flacky. It was very good.

Depends on where you get them from & their diet. Smallmouth taste better than largemouth. I've never kept one to eat, but have tried it when others have prepared it.

In general, I vastly prefer ocean fish to freshwater fish. Lot better natural flavor.