Kolt's blackout

Damn Kolt, stay alive bud...

Quote from Dan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8RyAo0Qsdk

How can anyone qualify or rather disqualify this blackout incident as "silly"? It has, in this and other Forums. Note the affected free diver didn't have, indeed, his snorkel "IN".
As some posts have mentioned, the multiple physiological elements involved are not altered by having the snorkel either IN or OUT.

Quote from ricksafer

How can anyone qualify or rather disqualify this blackout incident as "silly"? It has, in this and other Forums. Note the affected free diver didn't have, indeed, his snorkel "IN".
As some posts have mentioned, the multiple physiological elements involved are not altered by having the snorkel either IN or OUT.

Rick, not getting the ''silly'' reference ? any BO it deadly serious to me.

Cheers, Don

Thanks for sharing this valuable reminder for us all.

Damn...that is intense...kolt is a strong diver

where does anyone know him from? spearin videos?
that one happened less that 2 feet from the surface it seemed like,,
i really hate to rely on others to go diving with but this does go as another reminder about not diving alone

Great video and teaching moment. I know of divers that feel that weights are used to not have to kick while descending and sometimes they are dangerously overweight. Positive at "5 meters" is not generally enough for me. I consider myself a very conservative diver and if diving these depths, best to stay positive at 25-30 feet and neutral after that to about 60. I also don't feel having the snorkel in or out made a difference if he BO or not.

Kudos to Kolt for allowing others to learn from this experience. It reminds me of a another diver who experienced similar event and withheld all information and sugar-coated events to minimize an episode...but I digress.

Do any of you guys know if this was in OZ or New Z?

this reminds us all to dive with a buddy and pay attention for at least 30 sec after surfacing. Because Kolt had a buddy to grab him, he recovered quickly and is just fine. If you black out or have a bad samba; you should not dive again that day but if you feel ok you can try some easy dives the next day.Be safe to dive another day!

Quote from Dan

Not sure what you meant about silly Rick. We all take blackout seriously. This is why this vid is posted in the safety section of the forum.

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I was just quoting the verbatim word of another poster in this Forum and also in a page in Facebook whereas the term "silly" was used and certainly NOT by me.
I have always taken the blackout theme so seriously that I have indeed made it an imperative and crucial subject in my courses and even had invented and patented a device.
To try to minimize or diminish the importance of the teaching in depth of the blackout processes in any respectable course is almost dabbling in a potential criminal negligence. Hence my objection of the use of the word "silly" when anyone refers to this all too often tragedy among us.
Have I cleared up your question?

Thanks Rick, I am crystal.
Don Paul

Quote from ricksafer

Note the affected free diver didn't have, indeed, his snorkel "IN".
As some posts have mentioned, the multiple physiological elements involved are not altered by having the snorkel either IN or OUT.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the argument was never "If you have a snorkel in you'll blackout, and if you spit it out you won't." From what I've seen, the argument has been largely, that when you DO blackout, it's safer to have your mouth closed than to have a snorkel in it, and that clearing the snorkel/not immediately taking recovery/hook breaths may make BO more likely in a borderline situation. Regardless, neither of those have anything to do with the "physiological elements" of a blackout being altered merely by having a snorkel in or out. If this needs to be moved to the thread about snorkels in or out, feel free Mods, or just let me know and I'll take care of it.

Quote from ricksafer

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I was just quoting the verbatim word of another poster in this Forum and also in a page in Facebook whereas the term "silly" was used and certainly NOT by me.
I have always taken the blackout theme so seriously that I have indeed made it an imperative and crucial subject in my courses and even had invented and patented a device.
To try to minimize or diminish the importance of the teaching in depth of the blackout processes in any respectable course is almost dabbling in a potential criminal negligence. Hence my objection of the use of the word "silly" when anyone refers to this all too often tragedy among us.
Have I cleared up your question?

Seems kind of pointless to bring up a reference, "Silly", that is apparently outside of this thread and so obscure as to leave everybody guessing where it came from or in what context it was used. Were all big boys and girls here . I don't think anyone will feel outed.

Also I'm not sure what point your trying to make about the snorkel being in or out. I have never seen anywhere on your post regarding in or out that anybody suggested that it impacted SWB. The only safety arguments I've noticed were that it was argued that having the snorkel in increased the likely hood of inhaling water if it occurs while the snorkel is in. Am I missing something?

Looks like someone beat me to it. Sorry for the dup.

Rick
I have sent you in a pm an apology for coming across to you as strong or too direct about your snorkel in/out thread and my apology still stands, but I must say that what you have said

"the evidence in this clip shows that having the snorkel IN or OUT doesn't provoke, neither prevents, a developing blackout condition"

is wrong, a snorkel in can provoke a blackout if you are already nearing the state in which your body is before a blackout and you suddenly blow out/disperse the water with force as you subscribe and go horizontal then you have just sealed the deal for the blackout to occur, were as with no snorkel out of your mouth and upon reaching the surface you exhale gently and the first thing you do is inhale fresh oxygen while kicking you have increased your chances by a large margin not to blackout...not saying it can't happen, but, the safer way is by far the 2nd option. This is why it is taught by professionals along with other reasons to have the snorkel out. Also what Terry said in his book about Bills way (RIP) "These conditions are very unlikely to result in shallow-water blackout." unfortunately have proved very wrong, so your quote from Terry's book about the snorkel in is also very questionable and is why instructors today, not then, subscribe and teach the snorkel being out. I hope this post does not come across too strong or disrespectful to you because it is not my intention and I am only saying it so others can make up there own mind as to what they can choose to do, but should be aware that yes it can in certain ways provoke a BO or at least hinder the ability to recover properly before one occurs if nearing that state.

no one here said anything of the like that it was "silly".

Quote from Rolo

Do any of you guys know if this was in OZ or New Z?

Rolo, pretty sure that was Vanuatu...

Here is what Kolt had to say:

"Hey Gerald,

Yeah, that was a pretty heavy situation, but it ended well and I'm
smarter from it. I had a massive day before I even started looking for
the wreck. Probably 30+ dives below 85, not nearly enough re-hydration,
plus I was showing out for the camera. The take home message is don't
dive alone and stick with your mates. Hopefully the video helps
somebody. The bummer is that my parents saw it!!"

Thanks for posting that Dan.